Kevin Faulk officially suspended 1 game, fined [merged]

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Let me put this succinctly and politely. Here was the post I responded to:

I am allowed unescorted access into nuclear power facilities - do you really think the NRC takes kindly to known possession-offenders roaming our nation's nuke plants? Would you feel good about it?

Should I be flattered that you can't even follow the conversation? The quote you provided was post number #33 of the thread. Unfortunately for you, the post of yours to which I replied was post #32.

I own and run my own company. Now, kindly tell me how the circumstances of Faulk's misdemeanor arrest demonstrate any problem on the job.

Post #32 was a reply to post #29. Here is what Post #29 said.

Actually my job is quite good and my company is a great to work for b/c it doesn't tolerate people who get busted for possession. If you ran a company would you feel good about an employee you knew smoked pot and may/may not be influenced on the job?

So, how about you actually follow the thread instead of claiming responses were to other things. It would save you some embarrassment.

Now, whether you like it or not, the question was whether I would feel good about it. I don't need your ok of my equating alcohol to marijuana in order for my response to be logically correct.

Whether YOU like it or not, I answered you. Just because you can't follow the thread doesn't mean that I was wrong. It just means you can't follow the thread.

You're right about one thing (the only thing you've been right about in this thread), you don't need MY ok to equate Marijuana smoking to alcohol. But I have the RIGHT to think your logic is flawed and stupid and voice my opinion on it. And there is nothing you can do about it because its a public forum.

The rest of your post here is just irrelevant.

Actually, since the rest of my post was on topic and in context, its fully relevant. Maybe once you've re-read the thread and seen where I replied accordingly, you'll figure that out.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Revenue = good workplace? got it, thanks for the qualifier.

I hear Nike made some coin last year too, how is their workplace...

Good Workplace = 95% satisfaction rating among 11,000 employees.. And they have a drug test as part of the hiring process. That is the place I work at. Oh, and the fact that we had record revenues and bonuses to the employees the last 5 years certainly helps. But there are plenty of other benefits as well.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Just fall in place and don't question. There's no room for common sense discretion here.

1) There is no such thing as common sense
2) Who are you to say what should be common discretion and what shouldn't be?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Should I be flattered that you can't even follow the conversation? The quote you provided was post number #33 of the thread. Unfortunately for you, the post of yours to which I replied was post #32.



Post #32 was a reply to post #29. Here is what Post #29 said.



So, how about you actually follow the thread instead of claiming responses were to other things. It would save you some embarrassment.



Whether YOU like it or not, I answered you. Just because you can't follow the thread doesn't mean that I was wrong. It just means you can't follow the thread.

You're right about one thing (the only thing you've been right about in this thread), you don't need MY ok to equate Marijuana smoking to alcohol. But I have the RIGHT to think your logic is flawed and stupid and voice my opinion on it. And there is nothing you can do about it because its a public forum.



Actually, since the rest of my post was on topic and in context, its fully relevant. Maybe once you've re-read the thread and seen where I replied accordingly, you'll figure that out.

Ummm.... better check that post again, since my first applicable post regarding business has 2 pulls and was #31. One is richpats and one is Zeke's. The whole point of my asking you to use context is that you ignored such simple realities.

 

[rabthepat]

Fair punishment........

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Good Workplace = 95% satisfaction rating among 11,000 employees.. And they have a drug test as part of the hiring process. That is the place I work at. Oh, and the fact that we had record revenues and bonuses to the employees the last 5 years certainly helps. But there are plenty of other benefits as well.

Why did you just selectively take that post out of context? He pointed to his company's revenue as proof of a good workplace despite random drug testing, not a pre-employment screening, and I provided a counterexample of why revenue has little to do with employee satisfaction. I don't care whether your company feeds its employees sunshine and rainbows, it's totally irrelevant to that post.

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Good Workplace = 95% satisfaction rating among 11,000 employees.. And they have a drug test as part of the hiring process. That is the place I work at. Oh, and the fact that we had record revenues and bonuses to the employees the last 5 years certainly helps. But there are plenty of other benefits as well.

Pure speculation, I admit, but I'm willing to bet a substantial sum of money that you could also find a company (any company) with 95% satisfaction (5% of 11,000 employees is still 550 people who think your company is crap for whatever reason, which, in the face of all those bonuses and revenue might speak to something else) who don't drug test their employees and still have record revenues and bonuses. Again, not something I can quantify, but in all reality, the chances are pretty darn good. You are making the mistake of assuming that for some ridiculous reason, drug testing = success, and there is zero precedent for that assumption.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

You have yet to convince anyone that people who smoke pot on the weekend would be a risk in your workplace.

You've yet to prove that they aren't a risk in the workplace. Hell, you haven't even proven that they would be limited to smoking on the weekends. And I think you'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that someone who smokes pot ONLY smokes it on the weekends.

I can tell you right now, they would be a risk at lumber-yards, docks where they have large cargo cranes, places like Naval Shipyards or Strip mines, or any sheet metal shop with large brake presses or punching machines...

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

If you were any good at what you did, you would dictate the terms of employment, unless you were too stupid to realize what it was you were doing in allowing your privacy to be invaded.

As a person who interviews and hires people, I can tell you that if any hiring manager agreed to exclude any employee from the drug testing process, that hiring manager would likely be fired.

If people are excluded from a company-wide drug testing policy, then it is no longer a uniformly-applied policy and those employees tested and fired for poor results have cause to sue your pants off.

If you want to work for any company with a uniform testing policy, you will comply or you won't work there, as far as I know. It may be different if you are part time, an independent contractor, or a super-high executive, perhaps, but for most people basic issues like testing policy are completely non-negotiable.

I'm not saying that pot is all that bad, I'm saying that you just can't negotiate your way out of the policy as easy as asking for more vacation days or a bigger bonus.

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

1) There is no such thing as common sense
2) Who are you to say what should be common discretion and what shouldn't be?

I don't even know what your blabbering about here. No such thing as common sense? The Commissioner should use discretion here, not black and white rule of law, I never said anything about using my own discretion.

It seems like your strategy here is to randomly reply to a bunch of posts out of context with irrelevant comments. I suggest you revise, you're all over the place.

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

And you've yet to prove that they are. What an absolutely ******ed comment. I've already posted that, in many years of being an owner and manager of a variety of workers, the issues that arise to their workplace productivity almost rule out pot, as compared to any number of other legal and personal issues. Show me any evidence from your history other than the happenstance that you work for a company that drug tests (and btw - pot tests are about the easiest to fool and it's done all the time so rule out the "my workplace is better for it" crap, it just means your co-workers have to mask when they take the tests, not that they don't smoke) which also happens to be profitable.

You've yet to prove that they aren't a risk in the workplace. Hell, you haven't even proven that they would be limited to smoking on the weekends. And I think you'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that someone who smokes pot ONLY smokes it on the weekends.

I can tell you right now, they would be a risk at lumber-yards, docks where they have large cargo cranes, places like Naval Shipyards or Strip mines, or any sheet metal shop with large brake presses or punching machines...

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

You've yet to prove that they aren't a risk in the workplace. Hell, you haven't even proven that they would be limited to smoking on the weekends. And I think you'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that someone who smokes pot ONLY smokes it on the weekends.

I can tell you right now, they would be a risk at lumber-yards, docks where they have large cargo cranes, places like Naval Shipyards or Strip mines, or any sheet metal shop with large brake presses or punching machines...

You can't prove a negative smart guy.

I can tell you right now, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. There's no evidence whatsoever that someone who smokes pot on their own time cannot function in any of the capacities you listed. You're just talking out of your ass.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

I was talking about Justin Miller.

The post I quoted said nothing about Justin Miller. And I didn't change your post at all..

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

You're missing the point that I'd tell you to go F yourself as soon as you said "drug test" and find a different company to work for, because I'm valuable enough that there is more than 1 company that would hire me, and I'm going to find the one that doesn't think my personal life is any of their business as long as I do my job well, not ask the hiring manager to make an exception.

As a person who interviews and hires people, I can tell you that if any hiring manager agreed to exclude any employee from the drug testing process, that hiring manager would likely be fired.

If people are excluded from a company-wide drug testing policy, then it is no longer a uniformly-applied policy and those employees tested and fired for poor results have cause to sue your pants off.

If you want to work for any company with a uniform testing policy, you will comply or you won't work there, as far as I know. It may be different if you are part time, an independent contractor, or a super-high executive, perhaps, but for most people basic issues like testing policy are completely non-negotiable.

I'm not saying that pot is all that bad, I'm saying that you just can't negotiate your way out of the policy as easy as asking for more vacation days or a bigger bonus.

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

The post I quoted said nothing about Justin Miller. And I didn't change your post at all..

It didn't say anything about Pacman Jones either did it? You assumed that's who I was talking about, and like everything else you've spewed here, that was wrong.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Do you have any evidence for this in regards to marijuana? I personally wouldn't work for a company that is dumb enough to think marijuana use is detrimental to job performance. If there's any words that are too big in here point them out and I'll explain them for you.

Evidence? Yes, I've seen it with my own eyes. I've watched a guy cut two fingers off because he was high on pot. Watched another guy damn near kill a co-worker with a fork truck while at another company. The guy ended up with several broken ribs and a busted arm. That same company did have a worker get killed by someone who was running a fork-truck while high. Because he wasn't paying attention and slammed 4 tons of lumber into the other guy. So, for you to sit there and act like marijuana use isn't detrimental just shows that you really aren't educated on the issue.

As for where you would and wouldn't work? I don't care. I've seen the results of people "just high on marijuana".

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Evidence? Yes, I've seen it with my own eyes. I've watched a guy cut two fingers off because he was high on pot. Watched another guy damn near kill a co-worker with a fork truck while at another company. The guy ended up with several broken ribs and a busted arm. That same company did have a worker get killed by someone who was running a fork-truck while high. Because he wasn't paying attention and slammed 4 tons of lumber into the other guy. So, for you to sit there and act like marijuana use isn't detrimental just shows that you really aren't educated on the issue.

As for where you would and wouldn't work? I don't care. I've seen the results of people "just high on marijuana".

A) We were discussing people who smoked on their own time, not people that were high in the workplace. I know your flailing here, but that attempt to move the goalposts is pathetic. Drinking alcohol would be vastly worse in the workplace, but that has nothing to do with people that drink on their own time.

B) Your just making stuff up.

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

Evidence? Yes, I've seen it with my own eyes. I've watched a guy cut two fingers off because he was high on pot. Watched another guy damn near kill a co-worker with a fork truck while at another company. The guy ended up with several broken ribs and a busted arm. That same company did have a worker get killed by someone who was running a fork-truck while high. Because he wasn't paying attention and slammed 4 tons of lumber into the other guy. So, for you to sit there and act like marijuana use isn't detrimental just shows that you really aren't educated on the issue.

As for where you would and wouldn't work? I don't care. I've seen the results of people "just high on marijuana".

Seriously, how many times to I, Deus, and Wildo have to draw the line between "on the job" and "off the job" issues? Pot, like alchohol, or even prescription pain killers is an absolute, unequivocal no-no on the job. Period. Nobody here is debating that but you. Off the job is totally unrelated. You are one of those total idiots who think that if you smoke pot once, you'll be running to the bathrooms to smoke it whenever you can. And if you are naive enough to think you need to "test" someone's urine to tell if they are high while at work, that tells me you're a crap manager and a terrible judge of character to boot.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

This is total bull****.

A) I challenge you to provide me with any statistical correlations between companies that require drug testing and success. I have friends who work for fortune 500 companies that don't get drug tested.

B) The only person who is having a hard time with comprehension is you. The idea that because something is a "term of employment" means it isn't an invasion of personal privacy is just naive and stupid.

Its not total bullsh!t and unless you've worked in the manufacturing or insurance industries you are talking from a position of pure ignorance.

1) I don't need to provide you any statistical correlation between companies that require drug testing and success because that isn't what my point was. You clearly missed that. My point, which was very clear, is that a company is liable for the actions of its employees. If an employee's actions at the facility cause harm to a customer (through a poor product) or to another employee (through ignorant actions), its the fault of the company. Period. There are enough lawsuits out there that companies have lost that prove that.

2) My comprehension is fine. In your world, what someone does in their house is their business and only THEIR business. That was thinking prior to the 1960s. When there was a lot of domestic violence and child abuse going unreported. It would seem that you'd rather us go back to that.

Just because you are in your house doesn't mean you are entitled to do something that is against the law. Whether its beating your wife, beating your kids, raping kids, murdering someone or doing drugs. And just because its in your house doesn't make it any less wrong.

Sorry, I personally believe that if I am going to have a job where my actions or the actions of others can cause someone to be maimed or killed, then the people who I work with and myself need to be of sound mind and not impaired in any way by drugs. Because a mistake could cost them, myself a limb or could result in someone innocent dying. Its not an invasion of privacy to test to assure that you are still of sound mind.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Kevin Faulk suspended, fined

A) We were discussing people who smoked on their own time, not people that were high in the workplace. I know your flailing here, but that attempt to move the goalposts is pathetic. Drinking alcohol would be vastly worse in the workplace, but that has nothing to do with people that drink on their own time.

B) Your just making stuff up.

1) The people DID smoke on their own time. They smoked prior to coming to work.. Its their own time. Not the companies. But they were still high when they got to work. Would you like to try again?


2) I've not made anything up. But I wouldn't expect someone like yourself to understand that.