Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

[DropKickFlutie]

McDaniels is the best OC the Patriots have had under BB. I have no need to see either O'Brien or Weis back in that position.

Charlie Weiss is the best coordinator under Belichick, he has 3 Superbowl rings as a coordinator.

O'Brien and McDaniels each made 1 Superbowl appearance and ultimately did not convert key fourth quarter 1st-downs that probably would have won their respective games.. Under O'Brien, Law Firm routinely put up double digit TD seasons, and I would also argue that Brady's 4-int season was his most efficient, effective season in his career.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

We did score 30 points on the Ravens defense. That should be good enough to win most games. If the reverse would have worked the call would have been great.

Situational football wins games and wins Super Bowls.
This offense can't close the deal. Couldn't do it yesterday, couldn't do it in last years conference championship game against these Ravens (thank you Billy Cundiff) and couldn't do it the past 2 SB's. Had leads late in all 4 of these games. Had the ball and in a position to put these teams away and could NOT do it.
THIS IS A PROBLEM!!
Enough of the fanboy commentary. How about some honesty about the REAL flaws of this team. THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

 

[DocHoliday]

IMO the worst non-call...

 

[DropKickFlutie]

It's just that you don't know what you're talking about, which is often the case with you, and you either never saw Weis as an OC or you've chosen to use a ridiculously selective memory.
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I remember Weiss. None of his offenses ever put up huge stats, points or yardage-wise, but the personnel was also much worse.
Do you remember the players on those offensive units? Street free agents like Andruzzi, bunch of no-name linemen, Antowain Smith at RB, 7th rd picks like David Givens, no-name tight ends like Wiggins or Fauria.

There was definitely a play calling style to Weiss (like the other OC's, each who have their own distinctive styles). With Weiss once he had a lead, he went vanilla on purpose to not give anything away. He also used early quarters to feel out opposing defenses, which is why in big games they had timely 1st down conversions bc he knew which plays would work later in the games and he didn't pull out all his cards early on. He also played complementary football with Romeo Crennel, so if he knew the defense was on fumes, the offense would run more or take more time off the clock.


Finally, Weiss proved himself in rejuvenating that Chiefs running and passing game, whereas McDaniels lost his last 20 games in Denver then led the worst offense in the NFL in St. Louis.

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[JMarr]

Re: Bedard:McDaniels must rein in changes

Time to think again - Patriots - Boston.com

That article says it all. Gameplan and playcalling was good overall, Josh just seemed to forget that he had an elite offensive unit that was moving the ball at will and tried to get cute. It really cost us last night. BOB was prone to doing the same thing at times.

The good news is that McD should get better as the season goes on. Hated to see Hernandez go down, but it looks like it might have saved Josh and BB from making one of the worst football decisions in history if they in fact were planning to de-emphasize Welker in the offense.

 

[Deus Irae]

Charlie Weiss is the best coordinator under Belichick, he has 3 Superbowl rings as a coordinator.

O'Brien and McDaniels each made 1 Superbowl appearance and ultimately did not convert key fourth quarter 1st-downs that probably would have won their respective games.. Under O'Brien, Law Firm routinely put up double digit TD seasons, and I would also argue that Brady's 4-int season was his most efficient, effective season in his career.

Judging coordinators by the number of rings is stupid. As for the Super Bowls:

2001 - Won with a 2:00 drill that began with 1:21 left in the game and the score tied. Walter had to punt 8 times in that game.

2003 - Won after the Panthers' kicker put one out of bounds and allowed Brady to start from the 40 yard line. They kicked a field goal, but were tied on the final drive and got the ball with 1:08 left on the clock.

2004 - Won before the final drive, which was a 3-and-out

2007 - Offense scored to give team the lead with 2:45 left, and the defense promptly got scored, putting the Giants back in front. The offense got the ball back on their own 26 yard line with just 29 seconds left in the game

2011 - went scoreless in the 4th quarter

The Super Bowl argument holds no water.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Judging coordinators by the number of rings is stupid. .

Wow... There's no point debating who was better based on who had to punt more, and completely ignore the big difference in talent and personnel on those teams. Weiss not only won 3 rings with far inferior personnel, but he also did it before Polian's rules and the inflated stats-passing era of football. Actually, in that era, you can see the dramatic improvement in the Chiefs offense the year prior and the year he ran it. Compare that to the job McDaniels did in St. Louis or Denver. For O'Brien we can't really compare since he went to Penn St.


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[goheels22002]

IMO the worst non-call...

It looks like there is a referee about 15 feet away on the sideline. I guess it's my imagination. That must be a Foot Locker employee loose on the field.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow... There's no point debating who was better based on who had to punt more, and completely ignore the big difference in talent and personnel on those teams. Weiss not only won 3 rings with far inferior personnel, but he also did it before Polian's rules and the inflated stats-passing era of football. Actually, in that era, you can see the dramatic improvement in the Chiefs offense the year prior and the year he ran it. Compare that to the job McDaniels did in St. Louis or Denver. For O'Brien we can't really compare since he went to Penn St.


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Weiss won when the strength of the team was defense, and he had a healthier Brady. If Brady's healthy in 2007, the Patriots don't just score 14 in that game. You may remember Brady and the Patriots putting up 30+ on that same Giants team at the end of the regular season. The O'Brien '11 Patriots aren't even in the discussion.

You keep making poor arguments, and you're just piling one on top of the other now. Again, Brady led the offense to the score in 2007, with under 3 minutes left in the game, coming from behind. Being unable to repeat that after getting the ball back with just 29 seconds left is not a failure of the OC. As to you seeming to claim that being forced to punt 8 times is not a reflection upon how the offense and OC is doing, I leave that one out there to be chuckled at.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

No one lets you have it right between the eyes like blind squirrel Borges...debunking the rationale for Edelman over Welker under any circumstances.

Welker’s return to a more prominent role was a reminder of what he still brings to this team and the problems he poses for a defense. It is not simply his quickness in and out of his breaks or his sure hands but the fact that he reads a defense as if it was a first grade primer and Brady knows it.

That was obvious all night, so obvious even McDaniels, who is known for his stubborn conviction that while he may not have invented offensive football he would have if he’d been born earlier, could see it. That was never more evident than on that 59-yard completion.

All’s well with Welker - BostonHerald.com

 

[12ClutchFactor]

No one lets you have it right between the eyes like blind squirrel Borges...debunking the rationale for Edelman over Welker under any circumstances.




All’s well with Welker - BostonHerald.com

Hopefully that will be the end of the Welker phase out plan.

 

[IllegalContact]

I just think this team does not NEED trick plays.

 

[nekromantique]

the trick play was terrible, even if you look at the fact that brady missed his block.

the use of ridley was terrible as well.

they were playing very well against the ravens the majority of the game.

 

[Snake Eyes]

the trick play was terrible, even if you look at the fact that brady missed his block.

the use of ridley was terrible as well.

they were playing very well against the ravens the majority of the game.

Why was it terrible? If Brady blocked Upshaw you'd see Edelperson go for big yardage. The problem was in the execution.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Why was it terrible? If Brady blocked Upshaw you'd see Edelperson go for big yardage. The problem was in the execution.

Lol, really? Brady block? Did you see what you just typed?

I wouldn't even want him trying to block or tackle or defend anyone. (See Jake Locker)

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Why was it terrible? If Brady blocked Upshaw you'd see Edelperson go for big yardage. The problem was in the execution.

I for one don't want Brady blocking Upshaw. And that wasn't the design of the play per Yates. The expectation was that Upshaw would take the cheese on the reverse and instead he either read it all the way or lucked out and didn't take the sucker bait.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why was it terrible? If Brady blocked Upshaw you'd see Edelperson go for big yardage. The problem was in the execution.

It wasn't about Brady blocking. It was about Upshaw taking the cheese and crashing hard after the first handoff. That play works if Upshaw doesn't stay home, and it works if Edelman beats a much larger and slower player in a one-on-one situation.

Unfortunately, this time, Upshaw kept in his lane, and Edelman couldn't juke him.

 

[fnordcircle]

Woodhead is a better receiving and maybe even a better pass blocking option than Ridley.

There's more versatility in those sets so he's going to get more play time in obvious passing situations.

Though if Woodhead wasn't out there and Ridley was and we ran with him people would be *****ing that it was obvious we were going to run and McDaniels sucks.

Or if we did pass to Ridley and he dropped the ball people would be *****ing that Woodhead is the better receiver what is Ridley doing out there in an obvious passing situation.

Because when the team loses people will always act like the sky is falling and everything is terrible. When it isn't. Two hard fought games with plenty of issues but this is a more well-rounded and younger team than we've had in a while and once this team comes together I think we're going to put a few more rings on Tom's fingers.

 

[PatsFan2]

Ridley showed some very nice technique on Blitz Pick-up last night...he has got that part down...its his pass catching that needs work. I think by the end of the year he should have that down. I like what he brings to the table.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Woodhead is a better receiving and maybe even a better pass blocking option than Ridley.

There's more versatility in those sets so he's going to get more play time in obvious passing situations.

Though if Woodhead wasn't out there and Ridley was and we ran with him people would be *****ing that it was obvious we were going to run and McDaniels sucks.

Or if we did pass to Ridley and he dropped the ball people would be *****ing that Woodhead is the better receiver what is Ridley doing out there in an obvious passing situation.

Because when the team loses people will always act like the sky is falling and everything is terrible. When it isn't. Two hard fought games with plenty of issues but this is a more well-rounded and younger team than we've had in a while and once this team comes together I think we're going to put a few more rings on Tom's fingers.

While the loss sucks it was nice to see Brady have a solid game against the Ravens and for the Brady/Lloyd connection to continue to grow. The offense looks like it'll be fine, the defense will be a work in progress with a pretty high ceiling, and the Pats still look like one of the top 3 teams in the AFC. The end is not nigh.