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    Can one of you explain to me why McDaniels seems hellbent on forcing the ball to Woodhead in spite of how inefficient he's been? Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    Well, Woodhead is averaging less then 2.5 yards per carry this season so of course you force feed him the ball.

    Woodhead is awful. I swear if I see him running on first or second down again this season I will scream.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    They didn't play that great on defense either.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    McDaniels play call on 2nd down of the last series was horrible. Under 3 minutes left and he goes empty backfield. Ravens D knows it's pass and tees off and gets a sack which essentially ends the drive.

    Passing in that situation is fine, but at least leave a back in so the Ravens don't know if its a pass or run. Just a horrible call.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    Because Ridley can't catch a ball.

    With Woodhead you get versatility that you don't get with Ridley. Without Hernandez, and especially once you lose pieces like Lloyd (he was injured at the end) you need to remain in formations that allow more run/pass combinations.

    Do you really think you're outsmarting McD? That he just sat Ridley for ****s and giggles?

    Jesus.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    No possible explanation in the world can justify Woodhead having more carries than Ridley. The play calling and personnel packages have been questionable at best in the last two games.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    With 2 losses in a row we can be sure that a trick play in the 1st or 2nd quarter is just as stupid as calling one in the 4th quarter. Lesson learned
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    So after the first few games, I've been severely unimpressed with the play calling from Josh. When we first signed him, I couldn't wait to see the screen plays and solid play calling he's known for. He hasn't really done either as well. Although, I'm glad he finally got smart and added Welker back in the lineup (probably due to Hernandez's injury :rolleyes:), his play calling has been dismal at best.

    Why doesn't he just let Brady what he does best and make his throws. he should be confident in Brady in the instance that the play should be changed. The Patriots are built for a potent passing attack and Brady shredded the defesne all night but whats up with the "cute" plays on second down? The crazy direct snap then pitch when all we had to do was just run the darn ball is sickening to watch. As we mentioned, I think he's trying to show off and embarass defenses rather than just play good football with accurate drives?

    With this being said, how are your thoughts now compared to when you first heard about the signing? Do you miss Billy O' Brien..... just a tad. ;)
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    Seriously, Seriously I say, I would give up a 2nd round pick to get OBrien back. McDaniel is the worst thing that has happened to this offense since last year.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    I miss him as well
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    No thanks. Micky D got to cute for his own good last night, but this offense is still in transition from three years of OBrien' pass on every down mentality into being balanced run/pass.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    The offense put up 30 points against the Ravens last night, despite not having Hernandez, having Edelman get nicked up, having Branch working his way back into game shape, having Winslow being extremely limited because of his newness with the team, and having to deal with absolutely horrible officiating. I had problems with the direction of the offense in week one, and I hated what was going on in week 2, but last night was fine for the most part.

    McDaniels is the best OC the Patriots have had under BB. I have no need to see either O'Brien or Weis back in that position.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    And where is the second coming Shane Vereen?:confused: He's looking more and more like waste of a Second Round pick every day.:mad:
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    Calling that reverse was horrible....They have Tom Brady and are running trick plays...
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    Dropped 30 on the Ravens D and people want the OC's head? Not many Teams will dropped 30 on the Ravens and lose.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    I agree with all of this except I liked Weis better, but that's not the point here.

    I don't see how people can complain so much about putting up 30 points in one of the toughest places/teams to play. Playcalling to me has been fine aside from week 2, I expect it'll only get better as the offense comes together.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    If Brady blocks Upshaw, even for 1/2 a second, that reverse goes for BIG yardage.
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    Re: Request for McDaniels Apologists

    Ridley was the RB in on that clock killing drive. How'd he do?

    2 one yard runs
    a dropped pass
    a 3 yard run that was called back

    Any corpse in the cemetery could had accomplished that.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    I was going to post the Bedard article too because I think he nailed it with the possible exception of his blind spot where ballaxeing the OL heading into this season is concerned.

    Josh has taken something that wasn't broken by a long shot, just needed a little tweeking in the form of a viable outside threat and increased focus on the capacity to run the ball efficiently as a complimentary balance and situationally, and attempted to make wholesale changes to it. Has bitten him in the ass early. Especially when the apparent cornerstone of the offense without whom we were able to muddle to 3-1 in the absense of in the past, even with an albatross like Ocho hung around Brady's neck, goes out once again.

    We don't have the depth at WR to adapt to TE insufficiency due to the focus on amassing dysfunctional TE depth throughout camp and the desire to retain some developmental bindy's on defense. The fascination with Edleman continues as he would have led the team in WR snaps if not for getting hurt and missing the tail end of the second quarter and all of the second half. Then there is the matter of the running game we either overcommit to or under commit to based on the perceived inability of anyone not named Woodhead to operate in no huddle. And the kicker is the continued inability of the OL to run block or pass block for more than 3 seconds with any consistency even with constant reinforcement that limits options in the passing game both in number and route depth of available targets.

    He's actually making me miss BOB. Who at least knew how to make the most of whatever hand he was dealt.

    And having 28 TE's on the roster is worthless when none of them can remotely replicate what you lose when Hernandez isn't available to receive and Gronk is relegated to 6th blocker on the OL. Teams that don't have one all world TE on the roster somehow manage to compete. Injuries in this league are as inevitable as death and taxes. Teams who pre plan for them via adaptability of roster and scheme have an edge we seem to increasingly lack. And often seemingly to retain an edge on ST which frankly doesn't exist. We had 4 TE's active last night and 3 of them split roughly a dozen snaps. We played in 3 wide most of the night and struggled to field 3 to the point Slater actually saw snaps.

    The broadcast crew said that Brady spent most of the week focused on getting Winslow up to speed... This crash course mentality has to stop. Puts everyone including veterans and newcomers on edge to the point they struggle to get in rhythm. Act like you've been here before and do what always got you through. Quit trying to force issues and let Brady and his offense find a natural rhythm without everyone having to overthink to fit within a scheme some of them instinctively know inside out. And focus less on replacing Hernandez the receiving TE than figuring out which TE can remotely block well enough that Gronkowski can get off the LOS.

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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    Ridley - 13 carries, 37 yards

    Woodhead - 15 carries, 34 yards


    People complaining about Woodhead's use didn't pay attention to the game.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    Why the hell are people always trying to dump Woodhead? Let's not forget, it is up to the OL to open holes. It's hard to get a good average when the defense is constantly in the backfield. Other than the 14 yard run and Ridley averaged one yard a carry.

    Josh McDaniels is one of the best OCs in the game, but I think we should shelve all reverses and pitchouts until our O-line gets better.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    This is a new offense. It's going to take some time to really hit it's stride. Remember 2010 after the Moss trade? It looked worse than this offense looks now for a few weeks until they hit their stride in that Pittsburgh game. Lloyd and Brady are looking more comfortable each week, Edelman is getting an increased role, Ridley is showing he can be a legit threat. I see lots of promise here but it's not going to happen overnight. Despite that, we are scoring over 27 PPG which most teams would take in a heartbeat.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    What a crock! :rofl:
    The best OC the Patriots have had under BB has the Patriots nearing midfield with a 1st down, 3 minutes left in the game and proceeds to playcall 3 and out while losing yardage with a gadget play that bombs (yeah yeah let's run a play laterally when the Ravens have been pushing the O line backwards) and eats up a whopping minute off the clock which forces the Patriots to punt BEFORE the 2 minute warning.
    Equally as weak is why the best OC the Patriots have had under BB does not play his best players. Hey, why play Wes Welker and Steven Ridley when you can play Julien Edelman and Danny Woodhead. :rolleyes:
    Charlie Weis did far more with far less than Josh McDaniel ever has.
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    You have no idea what you're talking about here, and people used to go postal over the same sorts of things under Weis.
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    How can you blame that on McD? It's Brady's responsibility to see the unaccounted blitzer off the edge and he missed it. Then what do you want McD to call on 3rd and 16 for us?
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    Here's what pisses me off. Because of injuries (Hernandez, Edelman) Welker sees increases playing time and shocker, has great production. The part that pisses me off is that this means there was no mysterious injury, just bad coaching and personnel decisions to take one of the best players off the field either out of spite or to experiment during live games. Those are the only two options left since the injury farce is out the window.
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    Yeah the Welker misuse was inexcusable. But I'm not sure if that is on JMD, BB or God knows who.
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    re: Josh McDaniels and the "Offense"

    I wish I could click like on this post several times.

    The offense was pretty much fine last night. If you told me we'd put up 30 points against the Ravens, I'd take it.
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