emoney_33
Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
- Joined
- Nov 8, 2005
- Messages
- 5,218
- Reaction score
- 42
EDIT: Please read the whole post. The tone gets better toward the end
Once again you throw the "who weren't producing". Are you honest to completely serious right now? In all honesty, you completely just ignore the being late part (coupled with the Monday message of get here early). Guys like Tedy Bruschi have flat out told you this is not abnormal and has happened before.
Once again you just can't get over the fact that any frustration on Moss' part does NOT automatically equate to poor play or poor production. You are conceding only that other things could be frustrating Moss. But you continue to say that Moss production is only low because he is frustrated. It's ridiculous. So Moss isn't getting throws his way because he is frustrated, yea nice argument. Is that the polite way to accuse him of dogging it?
For the last 4 games, Randy's production has seen a dip. You have no idea how much of that is related to Moss himself vs. all the tons of other factors that have and have not been discussed. But keep blaming him for underperforming while absolving Brady, O'Brien, and the o-line. Also give no credit to opponents. If Randy doesn't catch 6 passes at the least, he's not performing!
Brady and BB flat out told you that coverages were dictating that they couldn't really throw Moss' way much on Sunday. Brady also hinted at the fact that part of the gameplan is recognizing this and exploiting other advantages. You simply want to harp on the end stat of his production numbers. And you want that to mean something is wrong with Moss. It's baffling. I may be the most vocal about this, but there are many posters here who are just ignoring this type of thing because it's so absurd.
Your comments are other things could contribute to Moss being frustrated, but in the end it's all Moss' frustration that causes his stats to go down. You didn't even leave open any possibility of something else 100% out of Randy's control being DIRECTLY responsible for him not getting the ball.
I'm not kidding you. How many attempted passes have gone to Moss in those games? Are you saying his focus is preventing him from getting pass attempts? Don't beat around the bush here? You just said his EFFORT was fine, how in the world can focus make Brady not pass Moss the ball if his EFFORT is there?
Well at least you finally conceded possibility, although I may question your motives if you claim it is unlikely. It's not Moss' reputation though right. I mean his saying NO to reporters just make them all giddy, none of them would ever say/write an undeservedly bad thing about him.
Kind of like you did above?
Every professional athlete gets frustrated. However as professionals they are much better trained/able to NOT lose focus. It's not easy for a professional athlete to lose focus. Maybe it's easy for us back street or for-fun leaguers but professional athletes (and especially HOFers) would not produce as they do if they so easily lost focus.
Well then I don't know what to tell ya. I don't know what world you live in where there is ever a single reason for anything.
Sorry if I come off as "prove-it" in this argument, as obviously there is no possible way to prove anything here. I'm just thrown off by the entire assertion that Moss is somehow slacking. I'm probably overreacting to your thoughts of his focus, but can you blame me with people like Rhody throwing around their crap.
Focus is such a bad thing to debate anyway, there's no way to determine one's focus. Every single player is not going to be at their best every play or every game. The patriots as a whole need to continue to improve, and that includes every single player on the team including Randy Moss. And Moss if you are listening, I'm not absolving you completely. Please do not go out and get 1-2 receptions a game from here on out, thanks!
Hey as long as you don't nitpick certain things about what people say.
It's rather unprecedented to have a HOF player who does nothing but help the team and has the most +EV of any receiver in the league yet have the media bombard you with questions of his work ethic and effort. They see the guy every day, they witness him working his butt off, and then they have to listen to the idiots in the media tear him to shreds and question his heart. Is it surprising they ANSWERED the media's questions?
Just remember most of what you "follow" is given to you by the media. I'm just saying, the CAN manipulate things and tell you only what they want you to hear. Don't forget Randy Moss walks by these guys every day and doesn't acknowledge them. They must feel like 2nd class citizens as human beings. It has to hurt their pride and ego to be treated like that, so in turn whether intentionally or emotionally, they write/report with bias.
We really just need to stop nitpicking on our superstars. The guys that make us a better team just by stepping on the field don't deserve so much mircoscopic criticism, that's my biggest issue I think.
But we did hear it. You can't wish it away to aide your arguement. 4 players who wern't producing went home. Period.
Once again you throw the "who weren't producing". Are you honest to completely serious right now? In all honesty, you completely just ignore the being late part (coupled with the Monday message of get here early). Guys like Tedy Bruschi have flat out told you this is not abnormal and has happened before.
My point is that there are potentially several issues that have frustrated Moss which has led him to perform below his average. Could be playcalling too. Could be defense. It makes way too much sense. Don't understand why can't see that
Once again you just can't get over the fact that any frustration on Moss' part does NOT automatically equate to poor play or poor production. You are conceding only that other things could be frustrating Moss. But you continue to say that Moss production is only low because he is frustrated. It's ridiculous. So Moss isn't getting throws his way because he is frustrated, yea nice argument. Is that the polite way to accuse him of dogging it?
For the last 4 games, Randy is underperforming and there is a cause that goes beyond schemes and players.
For the last 4 games, Randy's production has seen a dip. You have no idea how much of that is related to Moss himself vs. all the tons of other factors that have and have not been discussed. But keep blaming him for underperforming while absolving Brady, O'Brien, and the o-line. Also give no credit to opponents. If Randy doesn't catch 6 passes at the least, he's not performing!
Brady and BB flat out told you that coverages were dictating that they couldn't really throw Moss' way much on Sunday. Brady also hinted at the fact that part of the gameplan is recognizing this and exploiting other advantages. You simply want to harp on the end stat of his production numbers. And you want that to mean something is wrong with Moss. It's baffling. I may be the most vocal about this, but there are many posters here who are just ignoring this type of thing because it's so absurd.
Not saying it's all Moss fault. See my comments on Brady and the playcalling.
Your comments are other things could contribute to Moss being frustrated, but in the end it's all Moss' frustration that causes his stats to go down. You didn't even leave open any possibility of something else 100% out of Randy's control being DIRECTLY responsible for him not getting the ball.
Effort- yes. Focus- you have got to be kidding me.
I'm not kidding you. How many attempted passes have gone to Moss in those games? Are you saying his focus is preventing him from getting pass attempts? Don't beat around the bush here? You just said his EFFORT was fine, how in the world can focus make Brady not pass Moss the ball if his EFFORT is there?
Agree. Very possible. IMO unlikely.
Well at least you finally conceded possibility, although I may question your motives if you claim it is unlikely. It's not Moss' reputation though right. I mean his saying NO to reporters just make them all giddy, none of them would ever say/write an undeservedly bad thing about him.
See bold. Thanks for acknowledging that as possible. Before you dismissed it.
Kind of like you did above?
I'm sure you've played sports. When you are frustrated or what have you, you press and can easily lose focus. Very easily. Happens to HoFers like Moss.
Every professional athlete gets frustrated. However as professionals they are much better trained/able to NOT lose focus. It's not easy for a professional athlete to lose focus. Maybe it's easy for us back street or for-fun leaguers but professional athletes (and especially HOFers) would not produce as they do if they so easily lost focus.
I'm saying that hes underperforming and that there is a single or multiple reason. I don't subscribe to lack of effort. I do subscribe to the lack of focus. You already knew that though.
Well then I don't know what to tell ya. I don't know what world you live in where there is ever a single reason for anything.
Nowhere close to desperation. Your position inthis argument is one of prove me. You can say that all day long, which is fine. I still think you are failing to see the big picture and the events that have led us to this point. I'll bet ya a beer that there is more to this whole Moss-production thing. It will come out.
Sorry if I come off as "prove-it" in this argument, as obviously there is no possible way to prove anything here. I'm just thrown off by the entire assertion that Moss is somehow slacking. I'm probably overreacting to your thoughts of his focus, but can you blame me with people like Rhody throwing around their crap.
Focus is such a bad thing to debate anyway, there's no way to determine one's focus. Every single player is not going to be at their best every play or every game. The patriots as a whole need to continue to improve, and that includes every single player on the team including Randy Moss. And Moss if you are listening, I'm not absolving you completely. Please do not go out and get 1-2 receptions a game from here on out, thanks!
I also put stock in what Tedy B said which is that Randy wont quit, but was frustrated Sunday.
Hey as long as you don't nitpick certain things about what people say.
Brady and BB have gone WAY out of their way to defend Randy. It's unpreccedented. I'm glad that they are doing it but its highly irregular.
It's rather unprecedented to have a HOF player who does nothing but help the team and has the most +EV of any receiver in the league yet have the media bombard you with questions of his work ethic and effort. They see the guy every day, they witness him working his butt off, and then they have to listen to the idiots in the media tear him to shreds and question his heart. Is it surprising they ANSWERED the media's questions?
Been following this team way too long where my gut tells me something is going on. No need to dig. It's all right there.
Just remember most of what you "follow" is given to you by the media. I'm just saying, the CAN manipulate things and tell you only what they want you to hear. Don't forget Randy Moss walks by these guys every day and doesn't acknowledge them. They must feel like 2nd class citizens as human beings. It has to hurt their pride and ego to be treated like that, so in turn whether intentionally or emotionally, they write/report with bias.
We really just need to stop nitpicking on our superstars. The guys that make us a better team just by stepping on the field don't deserve so much mircoscopic criticism, that's my biggest issue I think.
Last edited: