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4 games in a row. C'mon.

I clarified what Brady stated.

I in no have stated that he has an emotional issue. Again, you are changing the scope of my arguement. I am saying that "something" is bothering him and the facts that I present conclude that over the past month (and if you incude his injury report listings with back and shoulder ailments, that only adds to it.) demonstrate that something is bothering him.

Well "something is bothering him" is so broad it pretty much encompasses everything including age related ailments. If something mental was bothering him and it effected his game, that would be a sort of emotional issue. A hidden injury or chronic back issue is possible.

Plenty of evidence has been presented and a smoking gun which is Moss' performance since the Indy game. What I find absolutely amazing is that you REFUSE to acknowledge that something is bothering Moss.

I refuse to acknowledge that as FACT. I do acknowledge it is one of the many possibilities.


Please don't assume what I expect of Moss and please don't assume that I think he is emotionally unstable.

I know for a fact you expect more than the cumulation of the last 4 games on the statsheet. You see it as a trend rooted completely within Moss and I see it as a byproduct of many contributing factors.

I've stated neither. I am going by his performance over the last month has been grossly below his AVERAGE from the prior 9 games + what I have previously stated to conclude that SOMETHING is impeading his performance. Could be playcalling. Could be injury? Could be frustration. Could be an off-the-field issue. Who knows.

Weeks 4-7 were pretty pedestrian stats aside from the TEN game where they pretty much just layed down and got destroyed. Now you are saying it "could be anything". I never said it couldn't be any of those things.

I simply argued that it was probably not due to any ongoing issue within Moss' mentality. There's also a lot more to our offensive struggles than Moss' production.

My problem with your position is that you publically refuse to acknowledge that SOMETHING is impacting his performance. You always drift away from stating a position and you counter with accusing me of playing the "dogging" and "emotionally fragile" card.

I never drifted away from anything. "SOMETHING has impacted his performance" is a factual statement, I can't argue against it. I argue that the "SOMETHING" is not a mental or emotional issue with Moss.
 
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You've got the wrong guy, my friend. I'm a huge Moss fan. I was complimenting Rob on his admission, not mine. I thought Randy was preoccupied and played horribly, but I didn't get the sense he was dogging it.

I apologize, I didn't read your statement the way you intended it. My comment was for the crowd that want to see Moss fail and you don't fall into that crowd. I should have used a better quote to respond to.
 
TGIF. 2 More days, hopefully a nice road win can end all this pointless Moss talk.
 
I clarified what Brady stated..

I see what Brady said different that you. I do not think he meant in in the context that you are inferring. I think he is adding some insight here. Too many small fires to totally dismiss.

Well "something is bothering him" is so broad it pretty much encompasses everything including age related ailments. If something mental was bothering him and it effected his game, that would be a sort of emotional issue. A hidden injury or chronic back issue is possible. .

Is focus and concerntration emotional issues? Perhaps but I think his uncharateristically sub par performances should include emotional issues like focus. Back issue is possible, but unlikely. maybe his back and shoulder are fine and hes just gun-shy.If that was the case, BB would not have sent him home and he on the injury report. Knowing BB's history of manipulation of such report, I'm not dismissing it entirely.

I refuse to acknowledge that as FACT. I do acknowledge it is one of the many possibilities. .

Fine.

I know for a fact you expect more than the cumulation of the last 4 games on the statsheet. You see it as a trend rooted completely within Moss and I see it as a byproduct of many contributing factors. .

What I expect is irrelevent. I base my expectation on track record. 10/191/3 TDs every night is unrealistic whereas 4/80, maybe a 2/32 followed up by a 8/101 and lastly a 5/79 and a TD is the norm for him. 4 sub-par outputs are uncharateristic and makes me take pause an assess and speculate and conclude.

Weeks 4-7 were pretty pedestrian stats aside from the TEN game where they pretty much just layed down and got destroyed. Now you are saying it "could be anything". I never said it couldn't be any of those things. .

He had a shoulder injury w/ a lingering back issue. He was on the report. The fact that he did have a game like that vs TEN squashes any perception. Coupled with the Brady incident and BB sending him home, that opens up speculation that something is going on with Moss excluding injury as a reason for his down performance.

I never drifted away from anything. "SOMETHING has impacted his performance" is a factual statement, I can't argue against it. I argue that the "SOMETHING" is not a mental or emotional issue with Moss.

I just don't get why you so easily dismiss that it's possible that Moss could have been distracted or is lacking focus on his fundementals when there is a ton of evidence to conclude that may be the reason why his performance over the last 4 games is sub-standard for him.
 
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I see what Brady said different that you. I do not think he meant in in the context that you are inferring. I think he is adding some insight here. Too many small fires to totally dismiss.

There's too much tendency around here to attempt to decipher hidden messages in the words of BB, Brady and others.

Is focus and concerntration emotional issues? Perhaps but I think his uncharateristically sub par performances should include emotional issues like focus. Back issue is possible, but unlikely. maybe his back and shoulder are fine and hes just gun-shy.

Point taken, I'll stop using "emotional issue" and change it to mental roadblock or something.

If that was the case, BB would not have sent him home and he on the injury report. Knowing BB's history of manipulation of such report, I'm not dismissing it entirely.

No idea what you mean here, sent him home when? He was sent home for being late... for being late regardless of any possible back issue or mental roadblock.

What I expect is irrelevent. I base my expectation on track record. 10/191/3 TDs every night is unrealistic whereas 4/80, maybe a 2/32 followed up by a 8/101 and lastly a 5/79 and a TD is the norm for him. 4 sub-par outputs are uncharateristic and makes me take pause an assess and speculate and conclude.

OK, just odd that you haven't taken your speculation to any football related factors like defensive adjustments, o-line play, coverage schemes, etc...

He had a shoulder injury w/ a lingering back issue. He was on the report. The fact that he did have a game like that vs TEN squashes any perception. Coupled with the Brady incident and BB sending him home, that opens up speculation that something is going on with Moss excluding injury as a reason for his down performance.

So his "lingering back" issue is "unlikely" to be continuing, but is the reason for his "subpar" output in a stretch earlier? The Brady "incident" was a month ago, and he was sent home for BEING LATE along with 3 other players. Correlation still does not imply causation.

He had a 58 yard TD in Miami and a 47 yard "bomb" in NO. He was not thrown to many times, thus he did not have many opportunities to "produce" more. Why do you believe the direct cause of not throwing to him is, and why does it make more sense to look into Moss' mind for correlation rather than look on the football field?

I just don't get why you so easily dismiss that it's possible that Moss could have been distracted or is lacking focus on his fundementals when there is a ton of evidence to conclude that may be the reason why his performance over the last 4 games is sub-standard for him.

The fact that you continue to say there is a ton of evidence does not make it so. The evidence is circumstantial at best and fabricated at worst. Taking a comment and reading into it to support your argument. Taking a disciplinary action for being LATE and reading into it to support your argument. None of that qualifies as actual evidence.

I easily dismiss this "focus" crap because it's so vague and subjective that it's ridiculous. There are many more likely plausible scenarios that actually have to do with football. I may at times overstate things or go overboard in defending the "mental roadblock" opinion, but I feel it is unfair and unwarranted. It reminds me of the nonsensical Brady body language debate
 
There's too much tendency around here to attempt to decipher hidden messages in the words of BB, Brady and others.

Agreed but when Brady says that "Randy was just frustrated out there today" and later said that "he needs to get over it" smacks of lack of focus.



Point taken, I'll stop using "emotional issue" and change it to mental roadblock or something.

No worries. I'm just trying to understand your position and point of view. I don't think Moss is a wack-job which I align with an emotional issue.



No idea what you mean here, sent him home when? He was sent home for being late... for being late regardless of any possible back issue or mental roadblock.

I think you and I went down this road before earlier in the week. I see his dismissal as much more than simple tardiness, but a culmination of issues that BB wanted to call out as being unaccpetable.. Lets leave this one alone.



OK, just odd that you haven't taken your speculation to any football related factors like defensive adjustments, o-line play, coverage schemes, etc...

Not true. Ive called out playcalling as a potential factor in Moss' sub-par production. Personally, I think O'Brien is not doing a good job with the playcalling. Certainly defensive adjustments play to that and the fact that the O-line cant block a 4 man rush on occasion is another factor. Those very well may be why Moss is potentially "frustrated", lacking focus, etc.



So his "lingering back" issue is "unlikely" to be continuing, but is the reason for his "subpar" output in a stretch earlier? The Brady "incident" was a month ago, and he was sent home for BEING LATE along with 3 other players. Correlation still does not imply causation.

Those events coincide with the down production (injury and the Brady issue) He started to fall off a month ago

He had a 58 yard TD in Miami and a 47 yard "bomb" in NO. He was not thrown to many times, thus he did not have many opportunities to "produce" more. Why do you believe the direct cause of not throwing to him is, and why does it make more sense to look into Moss' mind for correlation rather than look on the football field?

Those were nice plays but IMO Moss didn't play all that great in those games either. Same as my belief that Brady was also slightly uneven in his performance.

My assumptions would be the same as yours. Maybe Brady missed him. Maybe Brady was hurried. Maybe Moss didn't run good routes. Maybe Moss' sight adjustments at the LoS were not the same as what Brady saw. There is no questioning that those two are not in sync right now..



The fact that you continue to say there is a ton of evidence does not make it so. The evidence is circumstantial at best and fabricated at worst. Taking a comment and reading into it to support your argument. Taking a disciplinary action for being LATE and reading into it to support your argument. None of that qualifies as actual evidence.

To me it does. Its adds data points to trying to understand why the dropoff in production. Same as knowing Brady is hurt and that is also impacting Moss' performance. Just another data point...

I easily dismiss this "focus" crap because it's so vague and subjective that it's ridiculous. There are many more likely plausible scenarios that actually have to do with football. I may at times overstate things or go overboard in defending the "mental roadblock" opinion, but I feel it is unfair and unwarranted. It reminds me of the nonsensical Brady body language debate

Going overboard is fine. No issue with that. But when Brady tells the press that he told Randy to "forget the bad plays" and "forget what has happened in the past", I take that as a big time inditment that Moss is having a problem focusing on doing his job during the game.
 
I bet the "Randy Moss is a dog-faker" crowd (which absolutely exploded after last week) feels pretty dumb right about now. Is it too much to ask that you guys actually take a lesson away from this, and realize how badly you were all played?

Maybe next time a player drops a football, this entire board won't dissolve into tabloid-level gossip crap to the point that I had to leave for the better part of a week because reading any of these threads was completely pointless. This is the kind of crap I expect from Red Sox fans, but I always figured (hoped) that Pats fans were above the Sheep of Dan Shaughnessy crap.
 
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Agreed but when Brady says that "Randy was just frustrated out there today" and later said that "he needs to get over it" smacks of lack of focus.

Thanks for proving me right. Give me a link to the exact quote. Brady said a lot of things and you nitpick out tiny pieces. I don't recall him saying "He needs to get over it" either. I'm pretty sure I read Brady say these exact words though "he fights through it".

I think you and I went down this road before earlier in the week. I see his dismissal as much more than simple tardiness, but a culmination of issues that BB wanted to call out as being unaccpetable.. Lets leave this one alone.

We can leave it alone, but once again you prove my point in trying to read deep into simple things as if they have hidden meanings. If AD didn't leak it we wouldn't have even heard about this. When you take Monday's "early" message and see players arrive late on Wednesday, it's pretty damn clear that the simple answer is the right answer.

Not true. Ive called out playcalling as a potential factor in Moss' sub-par production. Personally, I think O'Brien is not doing a good job with the playcalling. Certainly defensive adjustments play to that and the fact that the O-line cant block a 4 man rush on occasion is another factor. Those very well may be why Moss is potentially "frustrated", lacking focus, etc.

This makes no sense to me. You just said it might be the playcalling that is causing Moss' "lack of focus". And the next logical step is the lack of focus is cause of the lack of production. So once again, it all goes back to this mental roadblock that you believe is the cause of the production dip. This is what I have issue with, people seem intent on harping on this focus or effort hoopla no matter what. You aren't as bad as most of the Moss "doubters", but still.

Those events coincide with the down production (injury and the Brady issue) He started to fall off a month ago

Correlation does not imply causation.

Those were nice plays but IMO Moss didn't play all that great in those games either. Same as my belief that Brady was also slightly uneven in his performance.

Heh, Brady doesn't throw to Moss and it's Moss' fault. Brady forces to Moss and gets an INT and it's Moss' fault. No matter what any production issues are Moss' fault. I will now argue that Moss' focus and effort in all of those games were the same as in the games he has produced in. I will also argue that neither focus nor effort are the reasons for the dip in production. I continue to believe that it is a cumulation of other factors. Maybe some of it is Moss, but the major contributing factors I think are clearly outside Moss' control. Moss may be internally frustrated but that does NOT mean it is causing him to lose focus or play differently.


To me it does. Its adds data points to trying to understand why the dropoff in production. Same as knowing Brady is hurt and that is also impacting Moss' performance. Just another data point...

It adds a data point to you because you are desperately trying to find data points. You are fumbling through meaningless quotes and disciplinary actions to try and find the answer. You won't find the answer looking in any of those places. The answer is likely hidden deep inside Foxborough :p But really, I'm sure the coaches tapes would show many FOOTBALL related factors of what is going on out there. None of which is anyone not having focus.


Going overboard is fine. No issue with that. But when Brady tells the press that he told Randy to "forget the bad plays" and "forget what has happened in the past", I take that as a big time inditment that Moss is having a problem focusing on doing his job during the game.

Do you take it as a big time indictment when Troy Brown says that Tom Brady says that to everyone even to him and is always trying to keep his entire team motivated and fighting always?

It is a really simple and generic statement to "forget the bad plays" and move on. He had the same advice for himself and everyone else. It's not like he called a press conference and announced that. He was asked questions by the stubborn Moss hating media.

Stop digging into these comments for hidden meanings, rarely if ever is there anything hidden there.
 
Two points.

Two freaking points.

We lost two games by two points total that, if we had won, this entire stupid Moss discussion doesn't exist. Nobody gives a crap about Moss's bad game in a victory if the Patriots are 10-3 with wins over the Colts and Fins on the road.

The difference between how many of us jump down Moss's throat with this supposed "dogging it" stuff and the way we defended him on the domestic abuse allegations that came out during the 2007 playoffs is night and day. On one, everyone is jumping to conclusions letting media talking heads convince them that he's a sh*thead. On the other, we were level headed and took a pragmatic approach -- if he did it, he's a bad guy, but we need to know the facts.

It turns out both claims were phoney hyperbole. The difference in the two situations as that we're 8-5 when one happened and we were 17-0 when the other happened.
 
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Two points.

Two freaking points.

We lost two games by two points total that, if we had won, this entire stupid Moss discussion doesn't exist. Nobody gives a crap about Moss's bad game in a victory if the Patriots are 10-3 with wins over the Colts and Fins on the road.

The difference between how many of us jump down Moss's throat with this supposed "dogging it" stuff and the way we defended him on the domestic abuse allegations that came out during the 2007 playoffs is night and day. On one, everyone is jumping to conclusions letting media talking heads convince them that he's a sh*thead. On the other, we were level headed and took a pragmatic approach -- if he did it, he's a bad guy, but we need to know the facts.

It turns out both claims were phoney hyperbole. The difference in the two situations as that we're 8-5 when one happened and we were 17-0 when the other happened.

Well considering that the sh*tstorm happened as a result of what Moss did during a victory, I think it's even worse than that. It's not even a matter of how well the team is doing: it's all about what catch/yards/TD stats Moss has put up for the last couple of weeks. Basically, apparently most fans here take the Matt Millen approach to armchair GMing.
 
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We can leave it alone, but once again you prove my point in trying to read deep into simple things as if they have hidden meanings. If AD didn't leak it we wouldn't have even heard about this. When you take Monday's "early" message and see players arrive late on Wednesday, it's pretty damn clear that the simple answer is the right answer.

Tedy Bruschi outright said as much last Friday, although most people conveniently glossed over it. He said that stuff like this most definitely had happened in the past, but the only difference now was that the media heard about it for once. And yeah, it's not too much of a leap to be pretty sure that Thomas leaked it, since Ty Warren was fairly certain of that himself and he would be pretty close to the situation...
 
I have taken my lumps like a man, but do think several people who trashed me for stating that Moss dogged it on the INT are thumping their chests right now when Jaws stated clearly that Moss did dog it on that play.

Here is from PFT about Jaws' radio appearance:

Appearing Friday morning on ESPN Radio's Mike & Mike In The Morning, ESPN's Ron Jaworski largely agreed with Hoge.

"Randy Moss gave great effort in that game, it was that simple," Jaworski said. "Anyone that questioned the effort would be dead wrong."

But then Mike Golic focused on the apparent lack of effort Moss displayed on a play in which a seemingly lazy pass route from Moss resulted in an interception. Though Hoge previously has said in no uncertain terms that Moss didn't quit on that play, either, Jaworski ultimately conceded that the effort from Moss was "inexcusable."

Belichick evades question about whether game film shows Moss quit | ProFootballTalk.com

So let's not get all high and mighty. Jaws conceeded that Moss dogged it on the INT and deserved at least part of the responsibility for it. The Moss defenders were not 100% right Moss did dog it at least one play and it was the play that had the most argument this week.

I apologized for my part and admit I was wrong that he dogged it the entire game where he dogged it on the INT. Maybe you guys should consider the same. You can't cherry pick Jaws' comments.
 
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I have taken my lumps like a man, but do think several people who trashed me for stating that Moss dogged it on the INT are thumping their chests right now when Jaws stated clearly that Moss did dog it on that play.

I don't think there's any "thumping" going on here. Heck this whole thing is confusing to a lot of us because so many people needed Jaws and others to tell them Moss didn't quit. Now to make this about one single play out of the 71 that Moss played is a little overboard. However, I will once again reiterate that there is no way that any single person aside from Moss knows for a fact what he did on that play. I'm not going to demand you believe me, but the fact of the matter is the DB had outside coverage and Brady was rushed. You can bring up as many quotes as you want, as much analysis as you want (conveniently ignoring Brady's statement that precisely "you can't blame that on Moss") but it doesn't make your opinion right. It is just as likely if not MORE likely that Moss read outside coverage and cut his route off short expecting an inside throw if one at all.

Brady got rushed and made a read/decision, Moss was caught offguard without enough time to recover and stopped the INT. There's many questions there like did brady make the right read, did the pressure cause a bad throw etc... However you continuously want to harp on the unknown question of "did Moss read outside coverage or did he just not think he was getting the ball so didn't feel like running his route". Aside from his reputation, nothing else really suggests the latter.

So let's not get all high and mighty. Jaws conceeded that Moss dogged it on the INT and deserved at least part of the responsibility for it. The Moss defenders were not 100% right Moss did dog it at least one play and it was the play that had the most argument this week.

I apologized for my part and admit I was wrong that he dogged it the entire game where he dogged it on the INT. Maybe you guys should consider the same. You can't cherry pick Jaws' comments.

You are on the side of the argument that whatever Jaws says go. Sorry if I don't blindly follow the word of Jaws like you. I saw the play, I saw the replay, I saw it from different angles, I saw it in slow-mo. There's no way anything can factually give you Moss' intent on that play. I however can note more facts of that play than simply "Moss cut his route short".

But please let's move on from this, Randy Moss is the exact OPPOSITE of a problem for the New England Patriots. Let's move on to nitpicking and deciphering someone else's body language now.
 
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I have taken my lumps like a man, but do think several people who trashed me for stating that Moss dogged it on the INT are thumping their chests right now when Jaws stated clearly that Moss did dog it on that play.

Even though I disagreed with the thought of him dogging it and thought everything was overblown bigtime, I can't really fault anybody for watching that game live and thinking he dogged it.
 
Thanks for proving me right. Give me a link to the exact quote. Brady said a lot of things and you nitpick out tiny pieces. I don't recall him saying "He needs to get over it" either. I'm pretty sure I read Brady say these exact words though "he fights through it". .

(On his conversation on the sideline with Moss): “He is one of the favorite guys I’ve ever played with. He’s one of my good friends on the team. I’m always trying to keep everyone motivated, whether it’s the receivers or the offensive linemen. I know when we don’t make good plays, when I throw interceptions or there are dropped passes and fumbles, I’m always trying to go over and pump the other guy up. It’s easy to get down on yourself, and it’s always important to go back out there and keep battling too. We did that definitely at times yesterday. Randy has definitely done that over the course of his career. He has to, because it doesn’t always go right. We didn’t certainly play our best game on offense, but we won and that’s what is most important.”

I paraphrased. Moss screwed up and Brady didn't want to lose him. With Moss sitting by himself away from the offense, he wanted to make sure he regained his focus.


We can leave it alone, but once again you prove my point in trying to read deep into simple things as if they have hidden meanings. If AD didn't leak it we wouldn't have even heard about this. When you take Monday's "early" message and see players arrive late on Wednesday, it's pretty damn clear that the simple answer is the right answer. .

But we did hear it. You can't wish it away to aide your arguement. 4 players who wern't producing went home. Period.


This makes no sense to me. You just said it might be the playcalling that is causing Moss' "lack of focus". And the next logical step is the lack of focus is cause of the lack of production. So once again, it all goes back to this mental roadblock that you believe is the cause of the production dip. This is what I have issue with, people seem intent on harping on this focus or effort hoopla no matter what. You aren't as bad as most of the Moss "doubters", but still..

My point is that there are potentially several issues that have frustrated Moss which has led him to perform below his average. Could be playcalling too. Could be defense. It makes way too much sense. Don't understand why can't see that :confused:



Correlation does not imply causation..

For the last 4 games, Randy is underperforming and there is a cause that goes beyond schemes and players.



Heh, Brady doesn't throw to Moss and it's Moss' fault. Brady forces to Moss and gets an INT and it's Moss' fault. No matter what any production issues are Moss' fault. .

Not saying it's all Moss fault. :confused: See my comments on Brady and the playcalling.

I will now argue that Moss' focus and effort in all of those games were the same as in the games he has produced in. .

Effort- yes. Focus- you have got to be kidding me.:eek:


I will also argue that neither focus nor effort are the reasons for the dip in production. I continue to believe that it is a cumulation of other factors. .

Agree. Very possible. IMO unlikely.


Maybe some of it is Moss, but the major contributing factors I think are clearly outside Moss' control. Moss may be internally frustrated but that does NOT mean it is causing him to lose focus or play differently. .

See bold. Thanks for acknowledging that as possible. Before you dismissed it.

I'm sure you've played sports. When you are frustrated or what have you, you press and can easily lose focus. Very easily. Happens to HoFers like Moss.
I'm saying that hes underperforming and that there is a single or multiple reason. I don't subscribe to lack of effort. I do subscribe to the lack of focus. You already knew that though.


It adds a data point to you because you are desperately trying to find data points. You are fumbling through meaningless quotes and disciplinary actions to try and find the answer. You won't find the answer looking in any of those places. The answer is likely hidden deep inside Foxborough :p But really, I'm sure the coaches tapes would show many FOOTBALL related factors of what is going on out there. None of which is anyone not having focus..

Nowhere close to desperation. Your position inthis argument is one of prove me. You can say that all day long, which is fine. I still think you are failing to see the big picture and the events that have led us to this point. I'll bet ya a beer that there is more to this whole Moss-production thing. It will come out.


Do you take it as a big time indictment when Troy Brown says that Tom Brady says that to everyone even to him and is always trying to keep his entire team motivated and fighting always? .

I also put stock in what Tedy B said which is that Randy wont quit, but was frustrated Sunday.

It is a really simple and generic statement to "forget the bad plays" and move on. He had the same advice for himself and everyone else. It's not like he called a press conference and announced that. He was asked questions by the stubborn Moss hating media. .

Brady and BB have gone WAY out of their way to defend Randy. It's unpreccedented. I'm glad that they are doing it but its highly irregular.

Stop digging into these comments for hidden meanings, rarely if ever is there anything hidden there.

Been following this team way too long where my gut tells me something is going on. No need to dig. It's all right there.
 
So we're to believe Moss gave 100% effort on all the film we didn't see after seeing him dog on multiple plays we did see???? :rofl:
This media bum bum show is embarrassing. But then again I've never considered the media, sports of otherwise, to be expert on anything. They're mediots!!!
 
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(On his conversation on the sideline with Moss): “He is one of the favorite guys I’ve ever played with. He’s one of my good friends on the team. I’m always trying to keep everyone motivated, whether it’s the receivers or the offensive linemen. I know when we don’t make good plays, when I throw interceptions or there are dropped passes and fumbles, I’m always trying to go over and pump the other guy up. It’s easy to get down on yourself, and it’s always important to go back out there and keep battling too. We did that definitely at times yesterday. Randy has definitely done that over the course of his career. He has to, because it doesn’t always go right. We didn’t certainly play our best game on offense, but we won and that’s what is most important.”

I paraphrased. Moss screwed up and Brady didn't want to lose him. With Moss sitting by himself away from the offense, he wanted to make sure he regained his focus.

The fact that you used that quote to paraphrase "Moss needs to get over it" just baffles me. It's astounding. Apparently you missed the point of "He has to". Which came directly after saying Moss has definitely kept battling through over the course of his career. How you can twist that is incredible.

But I know you love quotes so much, so his trusty Troy Brown...

Brown said that you could tell by Moss's body language on the bench that he was not happy with his performance or the way things were going, but that we shouldn't make too much of Brady's pep talk to Moss being a sign of distress.

"Everybody needs to be pumped up and reassured that 'we still need you to make some plays.' It's hard sometimes to go out there and catch one ball," said Brown. "It's hard to stay focused and feel like a part of the game when you're not seeing much action. ... It's kind of hard to understand that when you're not involved in that action.

"We all as receivers want to see the ball. We want to make things happen. I believe that's what Tom was saying, 'Stay in there. Shake it off, forget about it and come back and make the next play.' Tom has done it with me, and he's done it with everybody."
 
The fact that you used that quote to paraphrase "Moss needs to get over it" just baffles me. It's astounding. Apparently you missed the point of "He has to". Which came directly after saying Moss has definitely kept battling through over the course of his career. How you can twist that is incredible.

But I know you love quotes so much, so his trusty Troy Brown...

I included the entire Brady quote in the effort to be fair an balanced. I don't understand why you believe that I am twisting his words for my benefit. I don't need benefit. It's all rght there.

The TB quote was outstanding. Thank you. "It's tough to stay focused". I didn't want to run up the score on you ;)
 
I apologize, I didn't read your statement the way you intended it. My comment was for the crowd that want to see Moss fail and you don't fall into that crowd. I should have used a better quote to respond to.
Apology accepted. No harm, no foul. I've jumped the gun in responding before, as well, and felt foolish afterwards. Forget about it. I think the common thread with most of us who are here is that we love this team, even though we sometimes disagree. My guess is that, despite our differences, most of us have much more in common with one another than we have disagreements. But, GD, I still love a good dispute and *****ing at people.
 
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