Is this a championship team?

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Are the Patriots a championship caliber team?

  1. Yes

    84 vote(s)
  2. No

    33 vote(s)
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  1. cstjohn17

    cstjohn17 Supporter Supporter

    #54 Jersey

    I am of two minds with this one...

    Feels like the same old recipe, they team will win or lose with Brady. If he can play elite football they have an excellent chance, if he is not elite the other units are not strong enough to carry the team.

    Bright Side
    - elite quarterback
    - elite offense
    - elite coaching
    - no dominant teams in the NFL
    - relatively healthy

    Sour side
    - defense is average or below average
    - pass defense is poor (This has become self-fulfilling, teams know they are poor and boldly abandon the run to attack the Patriots)
    - league is competitive, at least 5-6 teams have true shots at the Superbowl
    - run game is inconsistent, against light boxes they can run but when asked to man up and run against base defenses they struggle
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2012
  2. randomk1

    randomk1 In the Starting Line-Up

    #12 Jersey

    Yes but if we're healthy.
  3. olschool

    olschool Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    If they hadn't forgotten how to play pass defense for the past few years, Eli Manning wouldn't have two rings now.

    Anyone who thinks they can win the big one with this pass defense is smoking too much wacky tabacky.
  4. dannydyn

    dannydyn Supporter Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    If they play like they played against the Texans - Yes
    If they play like they played last night - you've got to be kidding me.

    I'm not used to seeing so much inconsistency in this team.

    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

    #12 Jersey

    If Talib/Dennard/McCourty are healthy and able to play their CB1/CB2/FS positions where the defense has been able to play at it's peak, then I like our chances. If not, our offense is good enough to give us a shot but I don't see it happening.
  6. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    I wonder how much of a change there would be to the responses to this question if yesterday's game was played two weeks ago, and the Pats had just defeated the Texans 42-14 last night.
  7. PlainOldEd

    PlainOldEd Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    #95 Jersey

    If not them, who?
  8. Ivan

    Ivan Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    #75 Jersey

    Given that they are better than last year's team and that team won the AFc Championship i would have to say yes, but the only thing that will demonstrate it is winning a championship. There isn't a team in the league that doesn't have flaws and weaknesses, and any team that wins it all will still have to address those areas in the offseason, as will the Patriots, so yeah, the Patriots are a championship caliber team. Whether or not they can prove that is still a question.
  9. Salva135

    Salva135 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    As presently constructed injury-wise, they may not get out of the first round. If the OL can get its **** together, and Talib/Dennard/Gronk are 100%, we have as good a shot as anyone. The Broncos are great but not some superteam, and the Texans have been flailing in the second half of the season. The AFC is wide open if the Pats can put it all together.

    The NFC/Super Bowl is a different story.
  10. Brady2Gronk

    Brady2Gronk On the Game Day Roster

    #95 Jersey

    If we can get Dennard and Talib back healthy for the playoffs then yes.
  11. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    IMHO, there are two championship quality teams in the AFC: New England and Denver. There are three such teams in the NFC: Green Bay, Atlanta, and San Francisco.

    There are no dominant teams. Of course, being a dominant team does not mean that you win the Super Bowl.
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2012
  12. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Seattle says hello.

    On the topic, IMO this team could easily go all the way if they have the horses to play McCourty at safety - i.e. a healthy Talib and/or Dennard. I think this team will likely not survive in the playoffs with a Chung/Gregory tandem at safety unless pretty much everything happens to go their way.
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2012
  13. livinginthe past

    livinginthe past Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    #12 Jersey


    Absolutely, yes.

    No team in this league is perfect - i'm sure some of you guys were looking all google-eyed at the 49ers after last weeks game - wishing our team was a little more like that.

    And what now? How do we feel about them after the 30 point beatdown to the Seahawks?

    Recent history has been littered with SB winners who got hot at the right time - who were able to bring their 'A' game when their opponent failed to - think of the Giants, Steelers and think back back to the 2001 Patriots.

    Newsflash: All of the teams that will compete in the playoffs are flawed - the Patriots included.

    Winning in a knock-out scenario is all about executing better than your opponent on the day, and hiding your weakness.

    For all those who seemingly can't comprehend that the 2 SB losses to the Giants were not due to simply poor pass defense - I don't think I can help you.

    The previously awesome offense failed to execute to its highest level on the day - just the same as the 2001 Rams failed to execute on the day.

    I expect the D to step things up in the playoffs - they nearly always do - last year was a good example of that.

    Brady et al will need to keep key components healthy (Gronk/AHern/Lloyd) and then execute like we all know they can.
  14. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic Supporter Supporter

    I'd add Houston and Seattle to make it 7 teams, and give us a 1/7 chance of winning it. No team is dominant:

    - Atlanta got their buts whipped by Carolina
    - Green Bay got clobbered by the Giants, who dominated them physically
    - Seattle is a different team on the road, and could lose Richard Sherman for the playoffs
    - San Francisco is a different team without Justin Smith, and can't play from behind
    - The Texans aren't a come from behind team, and Arian Foster has been banged up from too many carries and isn't the same as he was earlier this season; they peaked too early
    - Denver hasn't really beaten anyone good and has fed off weak competition.

    Any of them could win it, and I would want to lay a bet on any of them.

    That leaves us. At our best, I'd take us against any of those teams. But we're not exactly consistent, either. Injuries have obviously taken a toll. Things that we need to win it all:

    - The OL has to get healthy and play better
    - We need Gronk back
    - We need to clean up the turnovers on offense and get back our running game from earlier in the season
    - We need to get Talib and Dennard back and go back to the kind of secondary play that we showed against Houston
    - We need to show a little intestinal fortitude, after coming out flat the last 2 games

    That's a lot to expect. We've gone from 1/32 to 1/7. Let's see if we get to the AFCCG and 1/4 odds, and then I'll re-assess.
  15. ALP

    ALP Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    We're a pretty decent team with all the injuries, were easily the best team in the league if we can stay absolutely healthy
  16. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Atlanta is a perennial paper tiger, IMO.
  17. dannydyn

    dannydyn Supporter Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    I agree. Their win over the Giants was more about the Giants taking a dump in their diapers than the Falcons cleaning them up.
  18. DarrylS

    DarrylS Supporter Supporter

    Without a doubt....

    Yesterday we played without 3 of our defensive starters, and there were a lot of players moving around.. so the D was not as good as it should have been, but got better as the game went on.

    The O is puzzling, but as long as Brady is our QB, stuff will get figured out..

    Do not worry, stay the course...
  19. MoneyFX

    MoneyFX On the Game Day Roster

    All I know is that the offensive line needs to give Brady time. Brady needs to be on his game.
  20. ArchAngel007

    ArchAngel007 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    #12 Jersey

    Amazing to see that we are 11-4 with the Boston TE Party playing only one game both healthy together this season God can't wait til they are on the field together again
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