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    You guys see him around next year? Great at stopping the run but in coverage...is really bad. Wonder if Collins has a solid year if they decide to let him go. Collins has the ability to do it all. But they need LBs who can cover and i wonder if that pick on Collins means anything in regards to spikes
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    I think it is insurance in case they decide he is asking for too much money. Spikes is an excellent player, he brings a lot of attitude. However, he may ask for more than the Patriots want to spend on him. Hightower could easily move inside to his more natural position and we would have Collins and Spikes playing on the outside.
    Not too shabby at all.

    Or if they keep Spikes, we could see all 4 of the LBs on the field at once, which would be pretty nifty. Mayo, Spikes, Hightower and Collins would be quite the LB group.
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    Don't LBs though not make that much $$ compare to other positions? What are top LBs paid? Say a Suggs or Willis type.

    I don't see how he could get a lot even if he asked for it. I know he is a beast against the run...but is a huge liability as we all know in passing downs
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    The Collins pick has nothing to do with Spikes. Spikes' future hear was sealed a year ago when we drafted Hightower. Spikes is a decent MLB who plays with a lot of fire and he's really fun to watch. He'll be good on another team where he doesn't need to be a top 5 player on the defense. I don't even expect him to start at MLB next year. I'll always follow him no matter where he goes though... well except the Jets.
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    I see no reason why we wouldn't try to keep him. And he shouldn't break the bank next year the cap is still stagnant.
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    I think Bill understands having much depth in the linebacking core is important especially learning from how successful our linebackers were back in the Super Bowls where we had an abundance linebackers. So I think Spikes will be a priority.

    Besides, he's our tone-setter. He tells the other side "If you wanna run the football, you'll have to go through me."

    Other than Wilfork, he may be the main reason our Run D has been more successful the past couple years.
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    Really Collins will only help his chances of staying. By helping out on the passing downs it'll allow Spikes to do his own thing on 1st and 2nd even better.
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    He also tells the QB -- "If you're going to throw the ball, you don't have to worry about me sacking you or breaking up the pass"

    I'm okay with having Spikes back if the cost is reasonable. But if we're going to stay with a 4-3 I'd really like to have a stud can-do-everything lb along with Mayo and Hightower. If we switch to a 3-4, I think Mayo & Spikes in middle with another good (better than Nink) outside LB would be idea.
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    A smart Quarterback and Coordinator realises that you don't run at Brandon Spikes but exploit him in the passing game. If the Patriots believe they have an adequate replacement, I imagine that would make it easier to replace him moving forward. I'd like to keep him around as he's a thumper and they don't grow on trees, but at a reasonable contract given he's really a situational linebacker.
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    But I'm not even talking about him against the pass. I'm talking about him against the run, and what his value is against it.

    I agree that if he gets crazy money (which many inside guys like him usually don't unless they're at Willis, Bowman, or Mayo status) we let him go. But I think Bill won't be afraid to give him a decent pay due to the valuable intensity he gives us in the middle of the defense.
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    The guys we develop who become decent starters -- with a mix of strengths and flaws -- usually leave for more money elsewhere, and I put Spikes in that group.

    We're more likely to re-sign the guys who're either better or worse than that.

    Of course, there are exceptions on both sides.
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    I think with our front 7 we will be able to mix up the look with all the players we have: 3-4, 4-3, 2-5, 5-2, 1-6, 0-7 really give different looks. I remember we used to pull out the 0-7 on occasion back in the day and I think we will have the LB corps to pull it off
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    That's what i am thinking. Collins seems to be or based on his past has shown he has more tricks than Spikes does. But we won't know that until a few games in

    We have good depth in the front 7 now which is never a bad thing
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    He's the only enforcer we have on defense. I'll admit he is terrible in coverage but I love the physicality he brings to our D.
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    I hope Wilson can still be an enforcer on running downs for the DBs
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    I am going to have to disagree with you on your post. Collins is here to push Niko for that starting DE opposite Chandler Jones. BB is not stupid he knows what he has in Spikes. I think BB values him a lot more than people on this board think.

    I look at the Cardinals game he was the player who came up big and gave his team a chance to win. He leaves it all out there and he brings toughness that no player on that D can match. It is a trait that can not be coached.

    BB is going to keep his core LB's together as long as he can.
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    Is Spikes time with the pats limited?
    Limited to what? To the end of his contract? Same question can be asked of every player.
    Spikes has been a playmaker, solid against the run, and when let loose good at putting pressure on the QB. I think he will be offered a contract extension. It may be enough to keep him for a few more years. Unless he and his agent think that there are bigger $ waiting for him as a FA.

    Nothing that happened in the draft changed that.
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    Spikes hits hard. He's caused a few clutch fumbles from jarring the other guys head lose when he knew we needed it.

    Coverage might not be great but I think the guy is a beast
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    The draft gives no signals on Spikes. We need a pass-rusher; we signed one. We saw a 7th round Practice Squad player who might be developed into an NFL level ILB; we signed him.

    The patriots will make an offer to Spikes. They will negotiate with him. And he may be here in 2014, or not. As with all good players, the patriots will want to re-sign him. The question will be whether Spikes will sign at that the price that patriots offer.
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    100% agree with you on this. Nothing in this draft has changed anything for Spikes. I have heard nothing but glowing reviews from the coaching staff every time when they have spoken about Spikes.

    I think BB is looking to put more pressure on the QB and Collins brings that as a DE.
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    Ive noticed in the last couple of days a number of post about getting rid of Spikes. I don't get it Spikes is arguably the heart of the defense along with VW, when hes on the field the whole defense plays better. So why in the world would any fan want to get rid not only of a play maker (we need all we can get) and a player that inspires his team mates to play harder. He reminds me of Brian Cox in his enthusiasm?
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    Him and Wilfork are the D.

    If we had better safety play and more reactive CBs, nobody would give a p00t about his pass coverage. A legit hard-hitting safety on the field at the same time as Spikes? Our D would be very tough indeed. He's exactly what he needs to be and he's constantly one of the 2 most disruptive players out there. He's also the one that keeps the energy going the WHOLE GAME.

    I'd say the draft would be to help build around him not help build him out of town.
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    He brings that hard-hitting attitude that sparks the team. Mayo is the brains but Spikes is the heart of this defense. He'd have to commit a felony, star in a porn feature, get busted for a DUI, and hit his girlfriend before BB will cut or trade him.

    He also makes game-changing plays. That alone makes him a very integral part of the D.
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    The only reason to want him is because he is a player with balls on a defense that is filled with players that lack them.

    That said he is a huge liability against the pass in a passing league. I don't think a run-stuffer is worth as much as it used to be. So yes I think if Spikes wants a lot his time is done with us and BB is more than prepared for that. When Hightower was drafted I think the writing was on the wall.
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    Spikes was having a Pro Bowl calibre season last year through the first 8-12 weeks or so. Seemed to taper off towards the end (injury? fatigue?).

    He made a few clutch tackles and forced fumbles at key moments.
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    I think he's a gifted player who can be an assassin against the run. I also think he is a liability in pass defense and, at times, trends toward being a knucklehead with his tweets and other off-field comments. I sense that BB doesn't entirely trust him or his game at all times. Just my opinion. I think he has a more elevated sense of his value to the team than Bill's.
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    And you are basing this on what? Also the read option is the new in thing I guess and that is all about the run. So off the top of my head the 49ers, Seahawks, Texans, Vikings, Redskins, and Ravens all have above average running games so there will always be a need for a run stuffing LB.
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    Ok my friend you are reaching way deep on this one! What press conference are you referring to or what comments are you referring to? The word is called "speculation" which means made up, and not based on facts. For all you know it could be totally the opposite and he trust him more than you know. If he didn't trust him, he wouldn't be out there.
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    Depends on what we do. Assuming Collins pans out, Spikes is only staying for starters money. That would mean Hightower, Spikes, Collins, and Mayo would all need to be on the field. In a 34 that MIGHT be able to pulled off. However Chandler would be completely wasted and we don't have the 5tech DEs to pull that off.


    Maybe if we can get a 25 formation of...
    Kelly-Wilfork-(Chandler)
    Hightower, Spikes, Mayo, Collins

    But I'm not sure when we'd ever do that. We'd get trampled against the run and it really wouldn't offer much if anything in the way of against the pass- we would be better off with DBs. Maybe if we had a second Wilfork we might be able to pull that off, but thats not happening any time soon.

    I just don't know why we drafted Hightower. I loved him as a prospect, but he is a terrible fit for what we wanted to do and who we had on the roster. Rather have spent that first round pick and late pick we used to trade up on DB help, have kept Spikes as our MLB, mayo at OLB and Collins or any other true 43 OLB.

    Just seemed like a really really really bad fit in every relevant way.

    Spikes is gone. There is no way to keep him and everyone else on the field (assuming Collins pans out). And even if Collins doesn't, Spikes is extremely limited and doesn't have the range you absolutely need out of 43 LBers.
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    There is a need but if he wants to much he isn't worth it due to his 1 dimensionality. All those teams can pass right over his head too thats why its an effective offense because these guys can not only run but throw.

    He's a tone setter and is one of the few guys on the D that brings some nastiness to the field, but IMO his time is limited with us, wish we could keep everyone but there is a cap.
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