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    Darling Colts fan, please read the article again.

    It's not "this season," it's this WEEK. :rolleyes:
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    You mean this week's top ranked QB.

    Walmart's hiring.
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    #61 Jersey

    Honestly, what is your point in being here, amassing more than 800 posts as a Colts troll? Is your home messageboard that boring/inept? We already know you like the quarterhick better than Tom Brady, etc., etc. You offer nothing to discussions here beyond ignorance and agitation.
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    You guys are obviously challenged, read more closely:

    "One other development from this week: because of the opponent adjustments, and the fact that the Colts have played a harder schedule than the Patriots, Manning passes Tom Brady and is now our top-ranked quarterback for the season."

    :p
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    thats the stupidity of living by numbers. They actually crunched numbers so that Garrard and Rivers are higher ranked than Brady. I dont get hot about Peyton like other pats fans do. He is great not as great as Brady when it comes to rings but the guys is gonna break records. The others are just proof that numbers can be manipulated and MATH sometimes lie
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    So, you get pissed when being banned from ANOTHER TEAMS SITE, and state that they just can't handle the truth, then you knock ne for starting a QB discussion?? Interesting take that while Brady's STATS ARE BETTER this season, Manning is being recognized as the top ranked guy to date. Interesting debate, is it not? Or do you just want to tell me why FOX stinks, the writer stinks, the formula stinks??
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    The list is for this week only, but the BLURB indicates Manning eclipsed Brady, but I would assume he's in second.
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    its week 5 talk to us in Febuary Dolts fan. BTW he did not look that good to me. He looked like a guy mising his fav target and his star RB. Brady threw 3 TD's and 0 ints. Cornfed threw 2 tds and 1 int and if the bucks LB's could catch it would have been 3.
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    LOL, moving the thread here is pretty much proof positive that you guys are no different than Donk fan, SD fan, or Cowboy fan site. If it doesn't show NE in the BEST POSITIVE LIGHT, you want to put your blinders on and pretend it ain't there!!
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    He Ban Me, I have to nominate you for biggest Douche-Bag troll of the year.

    This is a weekly snapshot, and I'd actually agree with it. If you think Payton is having a better season than Tom, well then. NO ONE HERE can help you. Look at the stats and ranking through week 5

    QB Rating - TB (1), PM (3)
    Comp. % - TB (1), PM (4)
    TD's - TB (1), PM (4)
    yds/A - TB (1t), PM (8t)

    Really, its not compairable. PM is a fine QB and doing great this year as expected, but don't come in here spouting lies.
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    No, idiot, I'm trying to tell you that YOU stink. I could care less what statistical garbage you dredge up in the quarterhick's favor. This is a PATRIOTS messageboard, not a Colts messageboard. You are a Colts fan. Answer the question: Why are you here?
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    Obviously, you have a TRUE COMPREHENSION problem. See, the way they see it, these performances need to be adjusted based on the level of competition. Manning still racked up a 101+ rating against at minimum a decent defense, while Brady "struggled" to get to 105 against a weak opponent.
    That said, Brady has been playing lights out, and he and Cassell must be having a giddy old time in the locker room these days, as they have a very talented corps of receivers to choose from.
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    "spouting lies" Again, you take the cake.

    A.) Not lying, read for yourself
    2.) Funny how you all twist things into "lies", and then make it seem like "lying" is the most egregious act a person could commit.
    3.) Myself, I'd rather be called a liar than a cheater. Not that I prefer either.
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    Comprehension, no, stupidity problem, yes; I can't stand stupid people or stupid comments. He had a less than perfect game against a strong defensive mind in Romeo, it happens. Meanwhile he torched everyone else and Peyton has had strong games as well. My whole argument against this ranking is not the Peyton is better than Brady. Frankly I think you can't choose because Brady until this year has never had Manning class recievers, Manning has had them all his carreer. If the Colts have to choose in the next few years and old man Harrison is put on the out cause he is getting long in the tooth maybe then we will find out. Till then I will side with Brady cause he has won not 1 not 2 but 3 superbowls with his best WR under 6' and not half as good as Marvin Harrison. May I also mention he won 2 of the 3 with a less than great RB. Either way you slice it this poll is bogus and like I said its week to week and this is week 5 talk to me in Feb
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    The same media you roast over at the Dim Star, is the same media you use to come here and prove a worthless claim on a Pat's message board. WTF? What exactly are you trying to gain by being here? More talk about the "never-talked" topic of Brady v. Manning. Are you running out of angles for your video-gate conspiracy theory? Are you simply bored of agreeing with a bunch of nit-wits over at the Star and need to talk real football with real fans?
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    Roast who?? I have a right to be here. AND it's pretty funny that you and your brethren are so insecure and jealous that you won't even evaluate the article and discuss.

    The current published rankings are for the week. Brady was 6th, big deal. Under Mannings name, they indicate a SIDE NOTE that Manning is now #1 (in their books) for the season.

    Don't you find this interesting and relevant?? Brady is having an outstanding year, we all realize that. Not trying to take that away, or say that he isn't. But what the comments suggest is that Manning is slightly more impressive, given the competition he's faced so far.
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    None of that really matters much does it? Let's see what the final standings are at the end of the year. IMO the Pats will have the best record in the AFC and secure home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
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    Yes you are trying to roast Brady! No, I don't care what the article says. After the first 5 weeks they have Brady at 6th. Give me a ******* break!! That article is trash, just like the topics you start. You're right, you have a right to be here, but according to your name, you're trying to live up to it.
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    It's as if you read one line, and jump to a conclusion.
    The "list" as you see it, was for WEEK FIVE ONLY. Now, if you go look at Manning, he was number 1 for week 5, Brady was 6. In the COMMENTS SECTION under Manning, it states for the season, manning had supplanted Tom for the #1 spot, but TOM IS NOT 6th, it implies he's SECOND.

    It is NOT a ROAST on Brady, it's a different take on his performance to date, and how to relates to level of competition, which has been a pretty hot topic recently.
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    We're not talking about teams and standings, were talking about individual performance. Based on the threads here, Brady has exceeded his already annointed "deity" status, and has risen to some new, never before attained level. We can talk about predictions for the remainder of the season, but that is for a different thread.
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    With the exception of TDs their numbers are almost the same.

    I think the take most Pats fans have is that we always knew Brady could put up the insane numbers other QBs have if he had the tools. He now has them and is putting them up.

    The impressive thing is what he was able to do with lesser talent, and please don't start on Deion Branch he wouldn be at best the 3rd receiver on either the Pats or Colts right now.

    BTW I expect by the end of the year Peyton will have better numbers than Brady because he plays one out door game in cold weather @Baltimore. Brady's last seven are all outside in cold weather cities. So far this years they've both played in perfect conditions. And it's not an excuse it's simple facts that QB numbers will drop in those games.
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    I responded to the PM but i'll say it here as well, how exactly has Manning passed Brady?

    P.Manning: 115 for 165, 69.7 Pass %, 1319 yrds, 8.0 avg, 10 TD, 2 Int, 3 Sacks

    T.Brady: 117 for 158, 74.1 Pass %, 1383 Yrds, 8.8 Avg, 16 TD, 2 Int, 3 Sacks.

    Brady has more TD, better Pass %, and better Avg.
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    Now you have said something I can agree with!;)
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    Adjusted for level of competition etc.., They have a link that details their system. Haven't you guys looked at those sites, where they have DVOA, and all that stuff. Aikman has his formulas, etc..,
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    I will use the Colts argument about Brady and Manning...
    Brady is better because he has the better stats.

    Besides, you can't compare the competition because one is a NFC team and the other is an AFC team. I know that Brady was nominated again this week (5) for the FedEx Air player of the week, Manning wasn't. So I guess the debate goes on.

    Adjusted for the competition, give me a break.

    Besides, Brady has the better numbers and on track to destroy Mannings TD record. Now that I think of it, Brady and the Pats have made history again based off of their start to their season.
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    You guys never go to football outsiders and take a look at what they do? Not saying they are right or wrong, because everyone has theories, but there is no single correct way to evaluate such an intricate team sport. Here's an explanation of some of the things that they take into account:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7311660#method

    "At FootballOutsiders.com, we've developed a system called Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement (DPAR) that gives us a pretty good idea of which players did the most to help their teams win or lose. The success of every single NFL play is judged based on yardage gained towards both a touchdown and a first down. Then each play gets compared to the NFL average on similar plays, based on down, distance, and other variables. Players are judged not based on how many yards they get, but on how important those yards are in the context of the game. We also adjust for the quality of the opposing defense; because it is still early in the season, the opponent adjustments this week are only 50 percent of their eventual strength."



    "Players receive bonuses when they play well against good defenses, and they don't get rated as world-beaters when they shred the Cincinnati Bengals. "
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