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Here are a list of all the Patriots first round picks in the BB era with position & year
Seymour - DT #6 -01
Graham - TE #21 - 02
Warren - DT #13 - 03
Wilfork - NT #21 - 04
Watson - TE #32 - 04
Mankins - OG #32 - 05
Maroney - RB #21 - 06
Meriwhether - S #24 - 07
Mayo - LB #10 - 08
McCourty - CB/S #27 - 10
Solder - OT #17 - 11
Jones - DE #21 - 12
Hightower - LB #25 -12
[QUOTE="manxman2601, post: 3816699, member: 29179I'd be very much on board with the Fiedorowicz pick.
Am I missing something here? How can we justify taking CJ over Amaro? Is it because of the blocking or lack thereof?
Is anybody looking at his Texas Tech tape, Amaro makes plays. We need playmakers.
if we could trade down and some how end up with Robinson/Tuitt I'd be ecstatic.Interesting exercise to go with those criteria first and foremost and see what the prospect list looks like. Something like:
Ra'shede Hageman
Allen Robinson
Stephon Tuitt
Joel Bitonio
Aside from the explosion scores which Martin wins handily, Kareem Martin and JPP could be twins:
The knock on Martin is lack of pass rush, a strong run defender and setting the egde. Some beleave he is a LDE only.
What I think Bill looks for in his 1st round picks are "safe" picks. The 1st round isn't a time to gamble on a projection. I can't think of a player he has done that with in his time here. He looks to see how guys compare with those currently on the roster and he looks for players who can be cornerstones of his team for the next 10 years.
I like3 your analysis but I differ in one degree. There are three Day 1 starters available wihtthe #29. One may go slihgtly sooner though. Zack marti, Joel Bitonio and Xaviar SuiaJust some thoughts.
When you pick a player in round one you are looking for a 3 things.
1) Need - Does this player fit a need position for me?
2) Good Starter - Can this player start for my team and play at a high level.
3) Impact - Can this Starting playing make a big impact.
So first off we should ask ourselves what starting spots the Patriots generally have open.
TE - We use 2 generally making this a starting spot.
C - Wendell is not even average starting level
G - Connoly is okay but can be upgraded
SS - This spot is not really claimed but it is designed within our system to have generally have a true SS and kind of have a high safety and low safety. Also we have no idea how good Ryan could be as the 2nd S in our system. If he does it as well as he plays CB or better this spot might not even be open. Also Harmon showed promise and could turn out to be a serviceable starter. Either way this spot can easily be makeshift not making it s true need.
Other needs are DT, DE, LB, WR. However we currently have starting level players for all of those. DT is a tad questionable but the depth there is pretty good regardless. And it is very possible a DT draft pick at 29 would not see starting minutes.
So when you look at the starting spots which are open for sure (TE, C, G, SS) no one really falls in our range at 29 to hit the 3 keys i posted.
TE (besides Ebron who shouldn't fall) has no prospect in that range worth taking. Same for Center. SS does but like i said that can be easily makeshift and we potentially have our starters anyway. G is a need and we could get a guy to start. However it is hard for a G to have a big impact. I do not see a guy we can take as good as Mankins which is about the worst quality guard i would want if we used a first round pick on one. Not to mention Connolly though upgradable is at least serviceable.
The point is this. No one at pick 29 truly makes sense for us to pick. There is not "Chandler Jones" when you have a clear need, a player is there that can fill it & start and make a big impact. That is really not available to us.
That is the reason you see so many different players mocked to us. Because no player in our range really makes sense. I think the Patriots know this as well. However, if that is the cause the question becomes what do we do about it?
The only player on the board that fits all 3 keys for use is Ebron - TE. Everyone else is either a key backup/rotation player or is just really good and upgrade a already decent player or is a reach (like drafting one of the Centers at 29). This does not mean I am saying we should break the bank to take Ebron. In fact I am very much against that idea. I just think it illustrates how out of play our first pick is in this draft.
Very fair points. I was talking about how they were commonly portrayed in draft analyses at the time -- as intriguing physical specimens who hadn't made as big an impact on the field as their athleticism suggested. But they did have solid college experience.
I've had the same thoughts, but with Joel Bitonio as the target.
Based upon your criteria and the position we are drafting in (#29), I see one player that should be drafted at this position. Joel Bitonio OT Nevada has quickly risen up the draft projections to a late 1st round pick. He is a carbon copy to Logan Mankins. They both played LT at their schools. Both will move to OG. Both colleges played weaker opponents and therefore their efforts were downgraded. Physically, Bitonio is one of the more gifted athletes. "Plays with vinegar and seeks to bury defenders -- nasty finisher who runs his feet on contact and consistently blocks defenders off the screen. Extremely tough and durable. Highly versatile -- can play any position on the line. Outstanding personal character and football character -- work ethic, leadership and responsibility are all exemplary. Produced the best 10-yard split (1.69 seconds) and 20-yard split (2.80) of any offensive lineman at the combine." - NFL.com He ran a 4.97 40 electronically timed at Combine. He had 38 career starts at Nevada and was a team Captain.
BB drafts OT's and makes them OG. Bitonio also worked out at OC at the combine and private workouts. I would love to see a double down of Bitonio and Brandon Thomas.
He is number 2 DE behind Tut Tut train wrech incomming and would take him at 62 IF they going with Robinson at 29 and CJF at 93. But i use another combo for 1-2-3 ( Hint same positions in another order )
Aside from the explosion scores which Martin wins handily, Kareem Martin and JPP could be twins:
Kareem Martin
6057
272
35" arms
4.72 40, 1.64 10 yd split
22 bench
35.5" VJ, 10'09" BJ
7.20 3-cone
JPP
6'5"
270
34.75" arms
4.71 40, 1.65 10 yd split
19 bench
30.5" VJ, 9'7" BJ
7.18 3-cone