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  1. downfall

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    I watch a great patriot win and go to sleep. I wake up the next day and i'm Goodfellas or Casino.

    The feds are onto us and guys are getting wacked left and right and Mangina gets away in the Witness relocation program.


    This whole thing feels so bad. If it's as true as it seems than BB might have to step down. I love BB but the orginazation is tarnished and Kraft cannot be happy.

    The only way out of this is if an assisant coach or something was doing this behind BBs back trying to get an edge to keep his job. I'm reaching for any straw i can grab here.
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    I was thinking the same thing....will Bill step down or something? I absolutely don't want him to and I don't want Kraft to fire him....
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    You do realize that the so-called "cheating" of stealing signs isn't the issue. That's legal and all the teams do it... they just can't use a recording device.

    I'm not sure what the reason is (maybe its that "expressed written permission of the NFL" language before each game?) but recording it is apparently the only rule the Patriots violated.

    Odd that what you and I would consider "cheating" is not considered cheating by the NFL. So am I "heartbroken" that the Patriots would use a video camera rather than just have a guy with a cellphone and binoculars calling in their interpretations of the signs the way other teams do?

    No - I can live with that.
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    The rule is no video recording equipment used for recording the other teams signals but not limted to just that.

    Can the pats try and steal signals YES, but do it using any other legal method. Why do you have to do it in a way that everyone was just recently warned against doing.
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    You can tell this guy or woman or both (in case they're from California!) is an imposter who just signed up and is trying to pretend to be a Pats fan. Well, a real Pats fan wouldn't say the crap you just wrote. Plus, we can smell the opposing stink on your breath!

    You are you an imposter from another team. We absolutely do NOT want BB to step down. I don't for a minute believe you're really a Patriots fan...probably just an envy filled fan of some team that just "WISHED" their team was as good as the Pats!
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    Your post that you were "heartbroken" suggested that you thought stealing signs was the crime.

    It's not. We're talking about another rule violation such as the case when the Dolphins were caught using audio recording devices.

    I really doubt many Fin fans hearts were broken over that rule violation.

    I'm not sure if you're a hocky fan, but would you be "heartbroken" if you learned that a member of the Bruins was bending his stick in excess of what the NHL allows? Holding the stick higher at the start of a slap shot?

    Those are all rule violations as well.

    They are certainly against the rules but I wouldn't necessarilly think that any fans are heartbroken over them.
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    you guys are keeping the faith or are in denial. Good for you.

    Me, i can't sit still knowing what happened. You wanna play it down then go ahead but there is a good chance gooddell will not be playing it down.

    I believe the players do work very hard to be the team that they are and earned their superbowls. Now whoever is behind this video work just disrespected all those players hard work and accomplihments.

    It doesn't matter if sign stealing is done by everyone and it doesn't matter if we could have beat any team we played either way. What matters is that they did it and that does not sit well with me because i believe in patriot pride. So now whos the real PATS FAN?

    Now bring me proof of othe teams doing this and i'll feel better but until then the pats are standing alone.
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    What exactly do you want?

    We got caught, we're going to lose picks. Harrison got caught, he's going to miss four games.

    Where is the problem? Why do we have to be different and superior to every other team? We're the same, as any of them, except with three rings.
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    I think the NFL is going to have a lot to answer for when people figure out that stealing signs is LEGAL. So yes, I do think they are going to over-react.

    But to be "heartbroken" over a rule violation? Seriously - you get hearbroken everytime a guy goes offsides and you are a football fan, let alone a Patriots fan who feels a need to tell us they are from Massachusetts and therefore not a troll?

    You can delude yourself that you're not a troll if you want, but you're not going to fool anyone around here.
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    The worst part of this whole business is that the legacy of the

    Belichick years is tainted forever.
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    that's why i'm still waiting to hear what Bob Kraft has to say. I can't fathom that Belichick would risk his legacy and his HOF future by so blatant and stupid a violation of a known rule. something else has to be going on here and i'm waiting to hear what it is...
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    Would you be shocked if BB does the unthinkable and resigns?
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    Trolls and Moles..pay no attention. They get to have their brief moment of revenge. Starting next Sunday the Pats will continue the Superbowl Express and all these clowns will have to explain how that win is "tainted".

    Jealousy is a truly terrible thing.
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    Taking drugs in Massachusetts

    BB might have to step down?? What kind of drugs are you on??
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    We will see after Friday's hearing, but this is not about only this incident. Belichick has done much to infuriate the league. It is now time to pay up.

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    actually I know downfall personally, not that I'm a long standing member here myself, but he IS from MA, he IS a longtime Patriots (and Bruins) fan. He and I sat in 94deg heat a month back just to watch the Pats run around a practice field for an hour, and he burned a vacation day from work to do it.

    what he's trying to say is this: Someone's head is going to have to roll on this one. It doesn't matter if everyone steals signs, not everyone steals signs with a video camera....and not everyone steals signs with a video camera one flippin day after the new law and order commissioner sends out a memo saying "don't steal signs with a video camera". it doesn't matter if stealing signs is legal, no one will ever care about that fact. did you see that knob Schlereth on ESPN? he sat there spouting off like this was the worst thing ever and it needed to be stopped before it spread; even after schula and parcells laughed and basically said "yea everyone does that". the result? 50% of the online poll replies said forfeit the win. We're not dealing in reality we're dealing in perception, and the two are very different things. Goodall could come out tomorrow and say "there's nothing on the tape but gay midgit porn" and no one would listen, it would be a non-story, for every game as the season goes on they will talk about how the Patriots got caught cheating. what makes it worse is if they actually did it. the questions have already started: "did they do this during the SB runs? they sure did seem to know what the other team was about to do!". how do you think Bob Kraft is going to handle that?

    guilty or innocent the rep is not tarnished, it's got giant friggin holes blown through it. Kraft ain't gonna like it, and as a fan I don't like it neither.
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    Winning DOES infuriate others who are far behind...Maybe the Pats pushed the envelope a bit..but when the dirty laundry comes out, it will not be good.
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    So you what are you saying you think is going to happen to BB? Suspension? Stepping Down? Fired?
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    I really don't know. How could I? However, as I have been saying all day, this is very serious. I expect to lose a first day draft pick, or perhaps one first day and one second day. And yes, I think that the Commissioner is considering suspension for Belichick. And yes Kraft and Bill will sit down on Monday and discuss the future.

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    OMG, hahahaha, this is the funniest thing I have read all day!

    Heartbroken??? Are you kidding me? Especially on this day, you dare use a word like heartbroken about a football team breaking a rule.

    Heartbroken is for the families of those who died six years ago today! Cry for them. This is football, life will go on..........
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    Sorry but its not even close to the same thing. Here is a link to the thread about this that I started after it happened.

    We (allegedly) bought game tape that had audio of your line calls. Big deal, anyone can get that from watching a normal CBS feed. Every team in the league had access to that tape.

    What you guy are accused of doing is sending employees to another teams sideline (which the NFL warned the whole league was illegal this off-season) and then matching it up with polaroid shots to figure out exactly what the opposing D was going to do.

    Not even close to the same thing.

    Edit- And by the way your own coach said it wasnt a big deal, after the league investigated it and said the same thing.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227
    From Charlie Casserly
    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2006/12/stealing_signs_.html
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    this is like mecca for red sox fans who didn't know how to enjoy the patriots
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    Now let's not go THAT far......we have no angst left after the 2004 WS win! At least I don't. Those in angst over this have waaaaaay to much free time on thier hands. I work full time, do all the housework, go to school and have a stack of books taller than my night stand that need to be read, can I trade places with one of these poor unfortunate souls??
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    sure you can--just finish school, continue to work full time, do the housework, realize the enormity of your school loans and have the free time of no more school work

    cheers!

    (from a spouse that survived his wife's law school/bar experience)
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    :D

    Cripes, I forgot about the loans.....that really puts "videotape-gate" back into perspective!
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    So if i work all day and then take care of 2 kids after work am i aloud to be bothered by this. Just checking since you seem to know.

    and thanks for reminding me this is 9/11, i forgot.

    Maybe you should tell it to all the news outlets covering this storyand all the people posting about it today.
    Maybe you should remind the people that were crying in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS and then again in 2004. It's just a game life goes on.
    And tell the COlt fans from last year that looks so sick to their stomachs at the 1/2 it's just a game, life goes on. And then remind the pats fans after the game that it was just a game, life goes on.

    Just some other people that may not remmeber 9/11.

    i Don't need anyone telling me what i can be upset about and what i can be happy about. Like Everett finding out he may be able to walk again.
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