voluntarysaftey
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.A lot of things go on in sporting arenas that would land any one of us in jail if we engaged in the same behavior. Two guys get into a fight and exchange blows in the stands and security and the police step in and oftentimes arrest them. If the same thing happens on the field (or on the ice), and everyone (including the policemen assigned at the stadium) just watch.And anyone even mildly familiar with criminal law knows this is something an average man would be imprisoned for.
A lot of things go on in sporting arenas that would land any one of us in jail if we engaged in the same behavior. Two guys get into a fight and exchange blows in the stands and security and the police step in and oftentimes arrest them. If the same thing happens on the field (or on the ice), and everyone (including the policemen assigned at the stadium) just watch.
Did he instruct/incentivize dirty play? Sure, he talks about giving opposing players concussions yet no one bats an eyebrow when Ray Lewis tells his guys that "anyone who touches the ball gets knocked out today".
The 'how' is critically important.
A lot of things go on in sporting arenas that would land any one of us in jail if we engaged in the same behavior. Two guys get into a fight and exchange blows in the stands and security and the police step in and oftentimes arrest them. If the same thing happens on the field (or on the ice), and everyone (including the policemen assigned at the stadium) just watch.
A lot of things go on in sporting arenas that would land any one of us in jail if we engaged in the same behavior. Two guys get into a fight and exchange blows in the stands and security and the police step in and oftentimes arrest them. If the same thing happens on the field (or on the ice), and everyone (including the policemen assigned at the stadium) just watch.
....Again there is a HUGE difference between having a players' pool for achieving a football goal, like a score or turnover, and putting a bounty on another player. Its OK to try and put a beating on someone. Its OK to try and establish a physical dominance on another team. It is NOT OK to attempt to injure someone by attacking his ACL, or head...
But this didn't happen in the sporting arena.
It happened in a meeting room. Big difference.
I think everyone understands that what happens on the field is influenced by adrenaline, and a lot of passion & emotion that can cause people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.
Greg Williams, while in the confines of a team meeting, instructed his players to go after an opponent's ACL, and his head - and offered them bonus money to do so. None of that is OK.
The guy is scum. Just consider what a low-life he is - if a Saint player were to get released and picked up by the Niners, and suddenly he's wearing a different jersey; would Greg Williams suddenly be hoping that they have a season or career ending injury? What does that say that these players are to him? Hardly more than cattle? That's just stupid. The guy's head isn't right.
It's way different than Ray Lewis saying something in the heat of the moment. There's no comparison.
This whole issue would get a lot simpler if people reconciled the fact that you can have good, hard football plays without dirty play.
Everyone wants to classify everything as black and white now - and its not possible.
And there have been many successful lawsuits over fist fighting on the field of play, because a fist fight is not something any football player engages in in the ordinary course of play and so he does not 'assume the risk' of being punched when he plays football (like he doesn't assume the risk of being the victim of an organized pay-for-injury ring).
If the punched player wants to press charges, he's got a great case. It's just that most players decline to pursue it (like Kurt Warner declines to pursue this). That doesn't make it legal.
Yeah, some clown making an over the top speech is a lil different that being "told to do it".
Being "told to do it" would cross the line into official policy. The game tape indicates:
No action was specifically taken to take out the ACL. It's not that hard to blow out someone's knee if it was really one's intent.
Depends on your interpretation of "many", I suppose.
I mean successful lawsuits at every level of play from pee wee to high school to college to professional, over many, many years.
This is very well established law. It ain't new.
How many successful suits over a punch have been filed by top level (NFL/NHL) football players and hockey players in the last 10 years?
Players have been trying to injure their opponents since before Pacino knew how to scream, they know of their specific injuries and try their best to exploit them.
All Williams did was speak the unspoken truth, and for that crime he'll be destroyed.
I just love folks like you two, who argue that notional precedent justifies vile, criminal behavior.
Good luck with that.
Um, the "no bounties" rule is like from the 1940s or something. That is his crime not some stuff you made up to sound tough.
I have no idea; google it. I would guess a relative few because pro athletes tend not to pursue litigation over a punch, as I've said several times. But declining to pursue it doesn't make it legal.
And of course, having one's concussed head targeted for repeat brain damage or having one's ACL destroyed for money is on the tad more serious end of the illegal contact spectrum.
Ok, what specific crime did he commit?
I would say that a boss who pays someone to hurt someone has committed a criminal offense. It is most likely a crime of solicitation.
I would say that a boss who pays someone to hurt someone has committed a criminal offense. It is most likely a crime of solicitation.