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Given this loss, will Brady pass 4-0 Joe Montana?

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Will Brady pass Montana?

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  1. Given this loss, he's probably not going to pass Montana.

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  2. Maybe/Not sure/Other

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  3. Yes

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  1. NEP4Life

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    Brady is now 3-2 in the Super Bowl, which many consider the tiebreaker between these two great quarterbacks.

    We don't know how many years Brady has left performing at a high level -- 3, 4, less, more?

    It's obviously very difficult to even get to a Super Bowl, even with a good team, so his chances of winning another to tie Montana seem slim, let alone winning another after that to pass Montana's Super Bowl win total.

    Will Brady pass Montana as the GOAT?
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    What does it matter if Brady passes montana or not. This fall under the heading of "states are for losers"
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    There's nobody I'd rather have as our QB than Tom Brady. All the Brady-Montana stuff is fun for discussion but there is no true measure of who is greater. Both are all-time greats and are very much in the same class.

    Who is "greater" is a matter of opinion. That said, I would suspect that most people would still have Montana over Brady.

    But who cares?
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    The only people talking about Brady and Montana in the same sentence still are you guys. That was Brady's shot and once again he choked on Eli's package. Stick a fork in the cheater.
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    First, it doesn't really matter. Who is the greatest is all a matter of opinion.

    Second, after Elway won back to back Super Bowls and retired, there was a ton of sentiment that he was the greatest of all time. But Elway is 2-3 in the Super Bowl. Like Brady, Elway carried his team in years that they lost the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl when he had a stellar cast around him on both sides of the ball. If Brady wins another Super Bowl or two, he will be considered the GOAT for at least a short period of time after he retires like Elway did.
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    Yet another loser from a 2-14 team who rags on a guy that constantly wins and goes to Super Bowls, just to make up for his QBs inadequacies, of which there are many.
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    These arguments are largely subjective, and it is difficult to compare the two situations.. Montana had Jerry Rice & Dwight Clark though his whole career. Brady has had a bunch of guys... there was no salary cap when Montana played.. on and on, oh never mind.

    Brady is what he is, probably the greatest quarterback ever played in NE and will rank in the top QB's 5 all time..
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    The losses don't matter. It's the rings that matter. I'll never understand why Montana is credited for losing 3 championship games, but Brady is dissed for losing 2 Super Bowls.

    To me, both are irrelevant. What matters is rings, and that's why Montana is ahead of him.

    If he wins another, he's equaled Montana.

    Why penalize Brady for winning more championship games than Montana did?

    Makes no sense.
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    1 more ring and he passes Montana. Regardless of how much he's disappointed since the 2007 AFCC(outside of 1 great performance vs. Denver), football has a short term memory. Another SB38/2004 postseason type performance and few will remember these struggles. 2 more rings and it's not even a debate.
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    If you view the Super Bowl as the measuring stick of success, a final thesis if you would, then the loss puts Brady in a different category. It drops him to 3-2, into a group of QB's with multiple starts and multiple wins. He'll be at the front of the class with guys like Roger Staubach (2-2), Bob Griese (2-1), Ben Roethlisberger (2-1), Troy Aikman (3-0), Bart Starr and Jim Plunkett (2-0). I don't think anyone in their right mind would disagree with the statement that Brady is best of that group. Great still, HoF lock certainly, but not best ever.
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    Did Montana ever lose a Super bowl?

    Joe: 1.000

    Tom .600
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    That's an interesting post. Troy Aikman is obviously a great, HOF quarterback, but he sort of defines the second tier of all-time great quarterbacks, doesn't he? Still great company for Brady, though. :D
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    Different era. No FA back when he won those, its much harder to keep a team together now a days. After thinking about it i have to take this back. The Niners did win in the FA period except that the GM Eddie DeBartolo cheated, he wrote up the contracts to get around the salary cap. The Niners should have an asterisk next to some of those SB's. Although i'm not sure Montana was with the team at that time.
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    At least, Brady doesn't have to deal with the stupid Peyton comparisons since it is universally believed that Brady is clearly better than Peyton. I can handle Brady being #2 best of all time. You Colts fans will just have to accept that Peyton will always have to look up to Brady in every greatest QB of all time list.
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    Peyton isn't even the best Manning.
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    No offense, but this is the stupidiest argument that is consistently made. So when Montana gets beat in the NFC Championship game it is not as bad as Brady losing in the Super Bowl? If Montana is one and done in the playoffs, it isn't as good as Brady losing the Super Bowl?

    Yes, Montana has one more Super Bowl win, but Brady isn't done. If Brady finishes his career say 4-2 in the Super Bowl, he really should be disqualified from the GOAT talk because he got into six Super Bowls and lost two, but Montana got into four and won them all.

    I am a person who really doesn't care if Brady is considered the best of all time. But if he ends up having as many Super Bowl rings as Montana and people disqualify Brady from GOAT talk because he lost two Super Bowls, I think it is a bogus argument. Granted, Brady still needs to win one more for this argument.
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    With respect to Brady,even if they won last night Brady would still not be the best there ever was IMO,he probably would have needed one more.

    Montana was the best I have ever seen,and the majority of members in here who think Brady is better were still pooping in their diapers or maybe not even a thought in their parents minds when Montana was in his prime.

    Johnny U was pretty damn good too.
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    It matters to Brady thats for sure. The guy strives for excellence. He knows the benchmark is Montana.
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    We need Brady to go back and be a game manager again. He lately he gets into the habit of trying to win the game by forcing silly and stupid throws.
    I believe it is a direct results of the fact that the defense does not stop anybody in terms of yards and if we are not far ahead, this is what can happen and it did happen.
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    I always felt it would take five rings............I still do.

    Once upon a time I felt he would get his 5 no problem, now I wonder if he will get #4.

    I just cant believe what I watched last night. Every penalty, fumble, catch and break when against them.

    Missed passes, missed opportunities.........wow.
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    That ship has sailed. There will be zero Super Bowl championships in his future.

    This team has been on his back for so long that I think he will soon crumble from the burden. He wasn't the same after he got the left shoulder reinjured last night. He is not going to be more healthy in the future, he will be less healthy. This era is over. It's a young man's game. Now, we're all in denial. He'll be 35 next year. The only QB to win one at that age was Elway, and that was only after the focus offensively was elsewhere.
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    I agree with this. Brady strives for perfection and excellence, he knows that Montana is the echelon of quarterbacks. Of course the media, analysts, etc. will criticize Tom's legacy for losing his last 2 Superbowls. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter because Tom is one of the greatest QBs, especially in the FA era. There's nothing that can take that away from him. The only thing is that Brady won't be considered the greatest, and that's fine because it is all a matter of opinion anyways.
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    I don't care if Tom passes Montana or not. Frankly I don't think he can or will but that is besides the point.

    This is much more a quarterback league than it was in Montana's day but in reality even Tom's glory years and SB years were in a different league than the league we have today.

    Great plays out of the quarterback position are amplified and mistakes out of the quarterback position are amplified as well. Just cannot make this many mistakes out of the quarterback position and miss on so many opportunities out of the quarterback position and expect to win any longer.

    Even Tom's shoulder is really on Tom. I have no idea why he went into that spin move when he did. There was no extra yardage to be made, no pass that could have been completed at that point. All Tom did was expose himself to the Tuck hit. Should have just gone down there.

    Blaming Tom for the Tuck hit might seem harsh criticism but like I said earlier everything the quarterback does these days is amplified. I have said several times on this board last night and today that the most relevant comparison in this game was Eli and the plays he made and mistakes he did not make and Tom and the plays he did not make and the mistakes he did make.

    More and more Eli reminds me of the young Tom. The guy that was always up to the big moment. Of late Tom makes the bulk of the plays but makes more Favre-like mistakes than we are used to seeing and that sort of play will get you a long way in this league. However in the quarterback dominated and big play dependent league that the NFL has become, we need the old Tom to reemerge.
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