FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning...

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

The signs point that you're pretty clueless.

Brady has more rings and is better in the stats that matter the most: Passer rating and Adjusted yards per pass attempt.

Manning and Brady have played 22 seasons combined. Manning has 8 of the top 11 passer rating seasons between them and 7 of the top 11 Adjusted yards/attempt.

So who is better in those categories?

If longevity gives edges, Brett Favre would be better than Manning.

Favre played pretty poorly in a lot of his later years. Manning never did, so it wouldn't give Favre and edge over Manning.

 

[Fixit]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Manning and Brady have played 22 seasons combined. Manning has 8 of the top 11 passer rating seasons between them...

And yet Brady's career rating is higher. Weird.

 

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

That's a very nice collection of subjective lists. And it looks like some of them were done before Manning threw away a SB and, I dunno, the entire 2010 season, so that's nice.

And 6 out of 8 ranked Manning higher.

 

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

And yet Brady's career rating is higher. Weird.

It's not that weird considering Brady has had two huge season that were significantly better than his others.


EDIT: Also, if you pull Manning's rookie season his average is higher than Brady in both categories. Brady got the advantage of a year to learn the NFL game behind a pretty good QB. Manning got thrown right in the fire.

 

[Fixit]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

And 6 out of 8 ranked Manning higher.

Before Brady put together another Top 5 All-Time season. Those same people would say Brady's better now. AND IT STILL WOULDN'T MATTER, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUBJECTIVE.

 

[bagwell368]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Manning and Brady have played 22 seasons combined. Manning has 8 of the top 11 passer rating seasons between them and 7 of the top 11 Adjusted yards/attempt.

So who is better in those categories?

Charming. Now what about:

1. the quality and cost of the offensive players at Brady's disposal between 2001-2006 inclusive vs. Manning? Manning's reliance on this quality can be seen when Faulk was hurt in '01 and Manning's stats went in the toilet as did the team's records.

2. Manning's advantage in the Dome (and a warmer weather conference with another Dome in it)?

3. What about results of both QB's? Relative to salary? How about Manning's nasty playoff records, and games under a 70 QB Rating? His tossing his OL under the bus?

4. Funny but the overall career regular season QB Rating favors Brady at this
time. What about that?

 

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Before Brady put together another Top 5 All-Time season. Those same people would say Brady's better now. AND IT STILL WOULDN'T MATTER, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUBJECTIVE.

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Top 10 Quarterbacks of All Time

Manning 1, Brady 3

The 10 greatest QBs of all-time - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

Brady 6, Manning 8

Top 10 Quarterbacks of All Time

Manning 5, Brady 9

Top Ten Best Quarterbacks in NFL History - Top Ten List

Brady 2, Manning 4

The NFL's Top 25 Quarterbacks of All Time | Bleacher Report

Manning 2, Brady 8

Article:Top 50 Quarterbacks of All-Time - ArmchairGM Wiki - Sports Wiki Database

Manning 2, Brady 5

The Top 5 Greatest Quarterbacks Of All Time

Manning 3, Brady >5

NFL.com | NFL Top 100 | Tracker

Manning 8, Brady 21

You put a Jason Whitlock column in there?




You're more clueless on this than I thought.

 

[bagwell368]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

And 6 out of 8 ranked Manning higher.

And Manning is 1-10 in season ending playoff games, and Brady is 3-5 - care to expound? Do leave room to explain Manning's melt downs in the game (see the < 70 QB Rating games for Manning), and post game.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

And 6 out of 8 ranked Manning higher.

Yeah, that's like asking people to rate, say, Dirk Nowitzki before this season and now.

 

[Fixit]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

It's not that weird considering Brady has had two huge season that were significantly better than his others.

In two of his last three years, and since he got something resembling weapons like Manning has had for his entire career. And he plays outdoors in the Northeast. Here we are again. You're just ignoring it.

 

[Fixit]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't.

I know they would, because everyone's saying it now.

 

[WhiZa]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

That's a very nice collection of subjective lists. And it looks like some of them were done before Manning threw away a SB and, I dunno, the entire 2010 season, so that's nice.

As Manning starts breaking down (and eventually retiring) people will start devaluing him as a player. As long as Brady stays consistent, it will make the argument for him even stronger.

 

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Charming. Now what about:

1. the quality and cost of the offensive players at Brady's disposal between 2001-2006 inclusive vs. Manning? Manning's reliance on this quality can be seen when Faulk was hurt in '01 and Manning's stats went in the toilet as did the team's records.

2. Manning's advantage in the Dome (and a warmer weather conference with another Dome in it)?

3. What about results of both QB's? Relative to salary? How about Manning's nasty playoff records, and games under a 70 QB Rating? His tossing his OL under the bus?

4. Funny but the overall career regular season QB Rating favors Brady at this
time. What about that?

1.) How about Brady's reliance on Moss in '07? How about the additional wins and SBs the Patriots have gotten (and that are "credited" to Brady) because the Patriots didn't spend big money on offense? Why don't we discount all those additional wins and SBs because the Patriots have a better front office.

2.) How about we make a mountain of a mole hill?

3.) Not a factor. Who cares about his salary? Do you know what Montana and Marino's relative salaries were? Me neither.

4.) How about read above. Manning has a better rating minus his rookie season.

 

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

And Manning is 1-10 in season ending playoff games, and Brady is 3-5 - care to expound?

Yeah, the Patriots are a better team than the Colts.

 

[JJDChE]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

I know they would, because everyone's saying it now.

Post 6-7 links to all time ratings since the end of last season.

 

[Jetssuck]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Manning and Brady have played 22 seasons combined. Manning has 8 of the top 11 passer rating seasons between them and 7 of the top 11 Adjusted yards/attempt.

So who is better in those categories?

Favre played pretty poorly in a lot of his later years. Manning never did, so it wouldn't give Favre and edge over Manning.

Brady is better in those categories. Eventhough Manning has played with 23 pro-bowlers at wr, te, and rb to Brady's 5, Brady still has the better career passer rating and career adjusted yards/pass attempt.

You didn't watch 2010. Manning played poorly, to say the least

 

[Jetssuck]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Yeah, the Patriots are a better team than the Colts.

Not surprising. The Patriots have the best quarterback.

 

[Fixit]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

1.) How about Brady's reliance on Moss in '07? How about the additional wins and SBs the Patriots have gotten (and that are "credited" to Brady) because the Patriots didn't spend big money on offense? Why don't we discount all those additional wins and SBs because the Patriots have a better front office.

2.) How about we make a mountain of a mole hill?

3.) Not a factor. Who cares about his salary? Do you know what Montana and Marino's relative salaries were? Me neither.

4.) How about read above. Manning has a better rating minus his rookie season.

In reverse order:

4) Let's drop Brady's worst season, too.

3) Agreed.

2) The fact that you can't comprehend the difference is all I really need to know.

1) "Reliance on Moss?" He threw more TDs to non-Mosses than 23 other QBs threw in total.

 

[Fixit]

Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

Post 6-7 links to all time ratings since the end of last season.

Why would I bother? I don't put any stock in them, even if they favor my guy.