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  1. Fixit

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    ...and it was Mike & Mike. Greenberg mentioned that the conditions that TFB plays in makes his numbers even more impressive, whereas Manning plays in a dome nine times a year at minmum.

    That was refreshing.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Did he mention all the #1 draft picks the Colts surround Manning with...WRs, RBs, TEs, OLs while Brady was blessed with only his second #1 ....another OL
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Even the defenses Brady faces are far superior to Manning.

    normally we face: Jets x 2, Ravens, Steelers, Chargers, Dolphins x 2. Colts face Texans x 2 (one of the worst defenses league wise last season), Jaguars x 2 (really?), etc.

    Brady has always been the better QB...
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    brady's done more with less in his career

    plus

    peyton's made way more mental errors that i've seen, as opposed to brady in their careers
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Graham, Watson and Maroney come to mind as other first round offense players that pats have invesested in. Now one of them was a bust and the other 2 were solid players but nothing spectacular. Point being is that we have invested some first round capital on offensive skill positions. Colts seem to invest more first round picks into their offense. Generally they have done a good job picking skill positions. They have had their share of duds though.
    If Brady quit tomorrow and Payton was traded to the Pats i think he would get acclamated to playing outside in cold weather pretty fast. The guy lives and breathes football. I think BB would love to coach Payton (not that he doesn't love coaching Tom) for that very reason. They are both football junkies.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    One's an excuse whore.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Manning and Brady are deservedly 1 and 1 in terms of best QBs. Deal with it.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Well, Brady is better so...
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    You know this is a Patriots board right?
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    This argument again eh. Cue the lurkers and would-be trolls.....3.....2.....1....:rolleyes:
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Doesn't mean you can't be either objective and/or realistic.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    True, but the fact of the matter is that Brady plays in much harsher enviroments against much tougher defenses without the comfort of a dome.

    Thats being realistic.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    True but it's one small part of the equation. I highly doubt that Manning wouldn't have learned to be just as effective in cold weather. He's a HoF lock at QB.

    Both have their strengths, their detailed resumes and a legit claim to the best QB over the last 10 years. I prefer Brady, but at this point I don't know why it even needs to be debated. Everyone knows how good both QBs are.

    Also, say what you want about talent surrounding Manning, but Brady was surrounded by a HoF coach. Again, both guys are in great situations. Just different.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    :trolls:

    just a thought, jussssst a thought ... ( thanks to Halle Berry ;) )
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    What's a troll? Someone who disagrees with the common wisdom that everything Patriots is right?

    Are we only supposed to discuss things like who we can trade Wilhite for?
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Long term memory loss on my part....must.....resume ....taking ....pill.
    Guess my spiel only applies to the current roster....less effective....yes...but I am a homer
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Common wisdom dictates that Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    So, Brady's been better in New England weather than Manning has been in a dome, and you contend that Manning would actually improve in New England weather? Interesting.

    Anyway, I started this thread because I was amazed that a fact so obvious never gets any play.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    I think they're very close but the arguments here sound good to me. Playing in a dome vs. facing the defenses we face year in year out.

    Keep in mind Peyton has 2 things going for him.
    His last name.
    He makes it look hard.

    Brady makes it look easy.
    The one who makes it look hard makes people notice it more.
    All the pre-snap stuff is overly dramatic, while Brady usually taps his helmet or something simple. Peyton runs around and tells every player what he wants them do with that grimace on his face.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    yes but you came onto a thread discussing the playing conditions of the two QBs, and instead of making a well thought out response to the playing conditions point, you want all ape and said "they are 1&1, deal with it" that is not being very objective my friend . . .

    now if you REALLY want to get into the playing conditions discussion and you look at their two stats on an equaly playing field, you will find that the two are statistically equally outside of their respective home (i.e. both players stats in the other 30 stadiums, that is equal), they both do well against the AFC south, both do poorly against the AFC East, and both play well inside . . .

    so the biggest argument for Manning being better are the stats, but if one where to look at the stats on a equal playing field you really dont see that much of a difference, the only difference is that Manning plays more games in playing conditions that favor both QBs . . . so naturally he will have better overall yearly stats . . .

    once you take away the stats argument, or more specifically say that TB and PM are equal in the stats catagory, you are going to have a tough time saying that they are both 1 & 1 ;)
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    There is no argument..Brady is better, in every way. Thats not saying Manning isnt great, he just isnt as good as Tom Brady.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    This doesn't have to be an either/or question. They're both great quarterbacks, and they'll both go into the Hall of Fame in their first year of eligibility.

    Yes, the OP is correct: Manning has benefited from playing more games in a dome while Brady has played more games outdoors in poor weather conditions.

    It is one more weapon for Pats fans to use whenever the Brady v Manning debate arises. However, it is not conclusive evidence that Brady is better than Manning

    The debate will never end because people on either side will have numbers, facts and opinions to support their case. Both sides will argue and nothing will be resolved in the debate. Then a few weeks later one or the other will be in the news, and the whole process will be repeated.

    It's like watching the movie Groundhog Day whenever Peyton Manning's name is brought up.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Brady is an objectively superior QB. It's just a statement of fact. I say this because it's not even especially close anymore. Indoors and outdoors, he is measurably better.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Good points made.

    I'm glad your prefer Brady though lol. I agree, Brady and Manning are the league's best, this argument could go on forever.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Aaron Rodgers >>> PayaTon, who therefore is AT BEST #3...if that.
    And I'm hoping that his latest neck malfunction will drop him down a few more notches.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Its pretty simple. Manning is a great, future HOF QB. Brady is better.

    He has done more with less, playing in a tougher environment, against more difficult competition. Saying Brady is better than Manning doesn't demean Manning. After all he IS still better than 30 other QBs in a 32 team league.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Thank heaven for small favors.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    For starters, Manning is an outstanding QB and a first ballot lock for the HoF. That said, upon what information are you basing your assertion that Manning would be just as effective in weather? Playing in weather is more difficult, that's just a fact, look at QBs across the board and they play better in a dome rather than in weather.

    Next, Brady has put up better numbers against the same defenses. I dont think I should have to explain this but playing against a high quality defense is tougher than against a low quality defense.

    Brady has had less talent around him on his side of the ball, he's traditionally had a better defense but the playmakers around him on offense aren't as good, which leads to less impressive stats.

    Peyton Manning The Greatest NFL Quarterback ever. - YouTube

    Take a look at this video, in how many situations is Marvin Harrison WIDE open necessitating a throw that any NFL QB can make? Although I believe that Manning is the one making his guys right now in the early part of his career Manning was made BY Harrison. Brady didnt get a receiver of his caliber until 07.
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    This can't be true. With all the brains Peyton could fit in that forehead I don't see how he could ever make a mental mistake. :D
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    Re: FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning

    Don't kid yourself.
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