Snake Eyes
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If "boy" is offensive and has racial undertones, then how about Newton spending an entire press conference saying "Donkey Kong Suh"...? If a prominent white QB did that, it would have been a sports story so large it would have made deflategate look like a blip on the radar.
Ah yes, the classic" they say it so why can't I" argument. You know you're an apologist when you resort to using this.
The word "boy" can certainly be construed as being racist, depending on the tone and manner with which it was said. I didn't actually hear Romanowski's quote so I can comment on that either way. But you can also say something like "boooyyy, you better go up and fight for those rebounds", on a basketball court to a black dude and it's not racist. So it depends strongly on the tone and context that it's said in. That stated, some of you in the C.O.C. (Constantly Offended Crowd) had better never step foot on a basketball court. You would probably get into the fetal position and start weeping if you heard some of the stuff guys said to each other out there.
Hell yes. I can recall many a time in which I was guarding a black hoop player I was called *****, Cracker, Toothpick, Frosty, Brady Bunch....and Boy.
If I chose to utter the "N" word in response I wouldn't be typing this right now...
Thats just the way it is.
More proof that the half time show was racist.
Beyonce delivers highly political Super Bowl halftime show
With regard to your first point, you're right that, in the United States, nearly all speech is protected by the First Amendment [you still can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't slander someone nor can you directly incite people to violence or other criminal acts...and, there are a few other exceptions that slip my mind]. But, Romanowski's words, and much worse, are protected by the First Amendment.Actually Romonowski DOES have that right, it's fully protected by the 1st Amendment.
Anyway, did he whip or hang any of those blacks? Was Cam whipped or hung?
If not, why are you suggesting people modify their behavior because of events that neither one had anything to do with?
Ah yes, the classic" they say it so why can't I" argument. You know you're an apologist when you resort to using this.
Anyway, do you support different rules for different people?
And I believe now, as I believed 5 Years ago, that Cam Newton is a Poser who's just in it for the Money.
Indeed, I believe that his gutless reaction to That Fumble will define his Career.
And I believe that it should.
Cam Newton has always been all about Cam Newton.
With regard to your first point, you're right that, in the United States, nearly all speech is protected by the First Amendment [you still can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't slander someone nor can you directly incite people to violence or other criminal acts...and, there are a few other exceptions that slip my mind]. But, Romanowski's words, and much worse, are protected by the First Amendment.
In the United States, it's left to society, through the standards of its mass media communication outlets, to "police" language (there are plenty of websites, outside of mass media venues, to which one can choose to go where racist or ethnic hate speech is openly practiced and protected).
That's what happened to Romanowski. His speech, his right to which would be deplored but defended by the ACLU, was condemned in the mass media and applauded only by those who are comfortable on the kinds of web sites I just described.
I do, though, completely disagree that there is no connection between words and actions. An environment in which racist or hate speech, though legal, is common has long ago been viewed as leading to activities which mirror that speech. So, yeah, Romanowski didn't lynch Cam, but he used language that was, in the past, a common part of a language that nurtured a view of blacks as legitimate targets of such activities. That's why he was slammed for it by so many.
who the hell cares?More proof that the half time show was racist.
Beyonce delivers highly political Super Bowl halftime show
When did I say there is “no connection between words and actions”?
Next, it’s quite a leap to label “boy” as hate speech. Next, though it may be viewed as “leading to such activities” that’s essentially the slippery slope argument: “if people are allowed to insult blacks they’ll soon be lynching them”, really? Whites are allowed to insult whites all day long, being able to also insult blacks means you’re treating them as an equal, not as some weird combination of a superior/inferior.
I think Romanowski was targeted simply because he could be targeted, Rob Lowe was targeted and he didn’t say “boy” or “son”, he simply criticized Cam. Checking someone elses privilege is how you admit and repent for your own, it’s the new Original Sin!
That quite often was my attitude back when I was a "boy."Cam just gave an interview , a clip on EEI just now? Anyone hear it? "Everyone calls me a thug...blah blah blah"...the clip must be out there.
Found it, I hope...this is the ESPN link
well, this clip refuses to work here but it's up on ESPN on the NFL tab...essentially he blames his postgame interview on being a sore loser
Newton defends himself, says he's 'sore loser'
Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton defended how he handled himself with the media after his team lost to the Broncos in Super Bowl 50, saying he's a "sore loser."
The newly crowned league MVP walked out on reporters Sunday after answering only a handful of questions, mostly with short, soft-spoken answers.
"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser," he said.
He said if he offended anyone, "that's cool," and said he would not change his persona to appease anyone.
Newton hasn't spoken to the media in his previous four seasons on the day players clean out their lockers following the season, but he felt compelled to talk on Tuesday amidst criticism of him.
"I've got no more tears to cry,'' Newton said. "I've obviously had a lot of time to think about it. I've seen so much blown out of proportion.
"At the end of the day, when you invest so much time and sacrifice so much and things don't go as planned, the emotions take over. That's what happens. As far as trying to be like this person, trying to be like that person ... the truth of the matter is I'm not trying to be like this person. "This is a great league with or without me. I am my own person. I said it since Day 1. I am who I am. I know what I'm capable of and I know where I'm going. I don't have to conform to anybody else's wants for me to do. I'm not that guy. If you want me to be that type
Newton also defended himself for not diving to try to recover his fumble in the fourth quarter that eventually was recovered by the Broncos. Denver went on to score a touchdown to put the game out of reach.
He said that he would have risked injury by diving as it would have meant he would have had to twist his leg in an awkward direction.
Newton said that if he had thrown an interception and not tried to make the tackle to avoid an injury he likely would have not heard any complaints.
"We didn't lose that game because of that fumble. I can tell you that," he said.
well, there it is.."**** you everybody"...guess the narrative changes a little bit now, eh?