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  1. Fencer

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    Watt at 17 and 3 x 2nd round picks, id be happy with that - esp if we pick up two OT/OG's in the second
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    A bit outside the Patriot box here, but NE could take Amukamara and the Skins can take Jake Locker later in the draft. Question is, will either MIA, JAX or MIN take Locker?
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    Hmmm passing on Aldon Smith to take Lurch ( J.J. Watt)? Maybe....certainly the duller pick but BB knows how to pick for defense; we shall see.

    [Since JJ is the chief binky on the board I suspect that the Patriots will find him available at 17 and then...trade down or pick someone else. Then the Eagles will get him. That's the way it usually goes.]
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    Actually, the way it usually goes, the Eagles trade up ahead of NE to take Watt.

    ;)

    So, maybe we should have a contest to predict picks for the Pats who end up getting taken by the Eagles? If this draft turns out anything like 2010, I will be sending the Eagles an invoice this time.
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    Bowers falling to #20! At one point he was projected in the top 5.
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    I predict that unless our medical staff doesn't clear Bowers there is absolutely no way he slips past us.
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    Most posters would be happy with this. Perhaps Belichick would be too.

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    I like that scenario. Let's hope it unfolds that way.
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    Microfracture surgery is a dicey thing my friend.

    Do you see Bowers as our new elephant backer?
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    I would love to have Watt, but let's be real here, with Tom Condon as his agent, i would rather pass on him and get someone else then to have this Logan Mankins situation all over again. Look at the Payton , the colts said that the deal should be done but it hasn't because of Condon. Now after the contact is over, if he ends up being a stud as i expect, it is going to be like the Logan Mankins situation, either we tag him or trade him, within the 3-4 years in the rookie salary cap. To me that's not worth the pick.
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    Theres something about Watt that strikes me and says dud.

    BUT i love Kerrigan who has the same bust factor. Who knows though.
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    I'd say pass on any of the guys with degenerative knee conditions.

    I don't see Watt as having much bust potential at all as a 5 tech. That plays to his strengths completely. Add in his fantastic explosiveness for his size, and you have one of the surest things in this draft.

    If there was any way to add Kerrigan in the 1st and Danny Watkins in the 2nd, we'd be stocked.

    This looks like the draft that could warrant lots of moving up, we'll see if anyone's game.
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    Now that would be a nice way to start the draft :)
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    Well, this could be true of any pick, whether 1st rounder (Seymour) or 4th rounder (Asante Samuel). If a guy becomes a stud, he's going to jack up his price for his second contract. Whether his new asking price is reasonable depends on the player's attitude as much as the agent's attitude. Wilfork's new deal worked out okay. Personally, I wouldn't advocate that we avoid drafting potential studs because the negotiations of their second contracts might not go well.

    As to the Condon thing, I'm not completely sold on the common wisdom that the Pats will never work with him again. I know that the Pats haven't acquired a player that he reps since the Watson debacle and I understand that, for a lot of folks, this (and Ian Rapoport's rumor from a "source") constitutes unequivocal proof that we won't ever again. But I have to think there are probably other agents who we've never had problems with but who we've also not dealt with in a long time simply because they weren't repping any players we particularly wanted. The same could apply to Condon and his clients. I haven't found an instance in which the Pats passed on a Condon client in favor of a player of equal or lesser talent who was repped by someone else. And I've researched it as thoroughly as I can.

    I also have a difficult time believing that BB and Kraft would skip a high-character (by all accounts) potential stud who may fit our defense perfectly for a "lesser" player without at least attempting to bury the hatchet (if there is one) and work something out. They may not draft Watt after all - they may not want to trade up as high as #8 to get him; they may believe that another player is better - but I doubt that avoiding Condon would be their primary reason for not drafting him. Both BB and Kraft seem too rational and pragmatic to me to take that route.
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    Sounds good in principle, in practice I believe Condon was one of the advisors for the last CBA who actively advocated against NE's player management practices. Perhaps he was just considering his clients welfare, yet there also appears to be a two-sided antipathy which makes it harder to get things done. As mush as I like Watt, I don't see NE's comfort with taking a talented raw player high, who also happens to be represented by the last agent to advocate a holdout for a talented raw player who needed all the camp time he could get (I think it speaks volumes that Watkins eventually fired Condon, I can't help but suspect the hardass in the room was the agent).
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    If that's the case, then, yeah, I could see "why bother?" factoring in. As I understand the Watson situation, the Pats we requiring a six-year contract and Condon was insisting it only be five. I've also read comments from Mankins agent indicating that contract length might be the sticking point there, rather than the money.

    If the Mankins thing is true, that would imply that Pats' player management practices haven't changed and Condon might make negotiations difficult. OTOH, IIRC, at #17, the Pats are restricted from requiring more than five years, which might make the contract length point moot (though Condon could still certainly make things difficult in other ways). Very good argument, though, for making the Pats reluctant to trade UP for Watt.
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    What I love about this time of year is all the misinformation that leads to players dropping. Right now, there are several stories out there doing a hitjob on Amukamara. ESPN has one on the Insiders page. Teams want players to drop for obvious reasons, so you hear all sorts of stuff.

    Some guys get pumped up because of it.

    The teams that want Ingram or Amukamara should take them when they get the chance, because these two guys are getting dinged all over the place.
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    Yup.
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    I think Prince Amukamara will have a fantastic career.............as a free safety.
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