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  1. ddell1

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    I for one am giddy waiting to see Moss catch a bomb from Brady. So dont get me wrong. But even if Moss were to be cut (from the rumors) or injured do you really think it matters?

    Last years WR lineup in the first few games:
    Cauldwell, T Brown, Gabriel, Gaff., CJ

    This year W/O Moss:
    Stalworth, Welker, Gaff, Washington

    Brady is stacked any way you look at it.
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    Moss is special. Yeah, the rest of the receivers are good, but Moss is a superstar.
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    yes he matters hes the best receiver on the team.
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    I think we need Moss to get to the SB imo. He will open up the running game big time when he's playing.
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    I guess I should have stated that Brady would still be a top 5 QB in terms of stats even without him because of the other upgrades made.
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    There is not one defensive coordinator that would put single coverage on Moss regardless of his performance the last 2 years.

    That threat alone makes him matter quite a bit. One guy occupying a cb and a safety is extremely valuable.
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    Good point! Guess that does change the scope of his value
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    I equate the need for a great player like Moss to my need for a certain kind of great beer.

    At any moment my beer fridge is stocked with at least 1 of ..... Sleeman's Honey Brown Ale, Hoegaarden, Delerium, Fischer, Nethergate UM, Westvleteren and Kilkenney. With such a stock of great tasting beer I never question whether or not I need to also add Guinness to the menu ........ so yes, adding greatness to very good really does matter.
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    Moss always matters. At the very least, the opposing coaches must invest time preparing for the guy - time that could go elsewhere.
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    Yes, Moss WILL matter this year.
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    Are we still one of the best teams in the NFL without him? Yes. Are we better with him in the line-up? Yes. He matters.
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    Ummm yes.......we want Moss on this...........good feeling about this ......I hate detours and slow music.......let me know what kind of deal you are looking after..........Go Pats............
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    I think he matters for the psychological impact he brings. DBs won't be able to help but look for him, teams will game plan around him and will not want to give him an inch.
    What he gives the Pats is someone who will probably take full advantage of any blown coverage.
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    Yes. Those shower lines in the locker room can get long after the game so anytime one of the guys can get in a little early, it helps speed it up for the other guys after the game.
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    I love Moss, but he is not the one that makes this team go. That man is Tom Brady and he is the only one that matters.
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    Welker does.
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    I don't know if he is our most important WR, but he definitely helps. I personally agree that Welker could be the biggest difference maker on our WR corp because he is the most suited to match what Brady does best.
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    In madden, he's great.

    How will he be when he gets 1 catch?

    If he's a cool cat and sets the tone positively then Brady-Moss could be like Montana-Rice.
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    Nobody is saying Moss makes the team go. And to act like one player is all that matters is foolish.
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    Moss matters, but he is part of a big puzzle.. he might play "big" here or he might just get a couple of receptions a game, he is playing in front of a big time QB who spreads the ball around. I anticipate big things from him, but if he were to get hurt we would adjust, just as we have in the past. If you are looking at him to be the feature offensive player, it will probably not be him.
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    I think the best example of if a player matters is illustrated in the absence of Seymour and Harrison. Aside from Brady no one players should make or break a team.
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    It matters for my sanity.
    I've been waiting to see Moss, Stallworth and Welker. in the three wide set since april 29th.

    I was the one saying Randy was worth a first Round pick. everyone else was saying he was washed up.

    now that we got him for a 4th rounder, everyone loves him.

    don't get me wrong I like keeping the first round pick, but when it comes down to it I think he puts us over the top if he stays healthy, and I would trade a first rounder for a superbowl every year.

    Did I answer your question?
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    Yes. He commands at least two defends when on the field, even at 30 years old.
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    Well stated. The fact that we can even discuss this topic compared to this time last season makes him a factor before he even steps onto the field. He doesn't even have to catch a pass to have an impact on a game.
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    Randy Moss compares favorably to Michael Irvin. A mainstay of the Cowboys Dynasty and the 'Triplets'. If you've got that type of player he is going to make plays for you, big plays. So yes Moss matters. We can win without him, that goes without speaking, but he is going to add another dimension to the Pats offense.
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    It's a moot point to ast whether Moss matters. He's one of the most gifted WR ever to play, and he will make a difference, either catching the ball or just decoying, he has to be accounted for, ussually with 2 folks.

    Actually, the questioned posed above is an interesting one, and one I'm interested in seeing will play out. Hopefully in this game.

    As Slag points out, obviously a healthy Moss will be doubled out of the gate, but I'm curious to know if Mangina dares too uncover him with the safety if they are routinely getting burned underneath by Welker or Watson. Or even if Maroney has to much open space to romp around in. I'm not the biggest X's and O's guys (admittedly), but it seems that if Welker and Watson are running open on the intermediate routes with LB routinely having to drop into coverage with them, that's a recipe for defensive disaster, isn't it?

    Obviously doubling Moss only works if you can afford the over the top help. But that can't mean "at all costs", can it? At some point, you have to account for other weapons? No?

    It'll hopefully be fun watch play out.

    Any thoughts?
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    To me, the overall view towards the offense is simple. I don't understand why this argument doesn't end all arguments.

    Look what we were able to accomplish with last year's offense!!!

    We had a rookie RB getting his feet wet, getting injured and playing at 50% of his capabilities.

    Dillon, although invaluable in short yardage due his his strength, did very little on the ground.

    We are worried about Brady gelling with his new receivers. Are we crazy?

    He was somehow able to gel pretty quickly with the likes of Reche Caldwell AS HIS #1 RECEIVER!

    But he'll have a hard time gelling with Moss, Stallworth and Welker??????

    With Tom Brady as QB, there is no way this team is a paper tiger.

    I'm extremely excited at looking forward to seeing these guys play together.
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    Yes, he does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Next question, please.
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