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  1. tonyto3690

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    Has not been getting nearly enough love.

    Dolphins are reported to be letting him go due to their depth there. He isn't flashy but he can play as a 43 DT and 5tech 34 DE. Also can play some power left end which Belichick loves. I have no idea what he's asking for, but he's great against the run and is an upgrade as a pass rusher.

    Would be a textbook no-name veteran coming (with a possible paycut) to play for a championship team and being a quality starter for us. Isn't going to give us 10 sacks or anything but he'd be a great addition for us.
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    Isn't he one of the players that thought it was unfair the pats were running the same play again and again?
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    Starks should be able to cash in at $5m or so per year, IMO. Although he would be a fine addition, his price tag is probably too high. Dolphins have loads of cap space, but seem to be willing to let him walk.
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    Many Dolphin fans would say he is their best player on defense.
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    No, Starks is a beast. That was Tony McDaniel who said that.

    Thinking about it, if we sign Starks that could force McDaniel to start for them. That' be a double whammie if I've ever seen one!! :singing:
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    No thanks, we have more DL than have no hope of getting near a QB than we need already.
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    he would be a huge improvement over anyne not named wilfork.......jury still out on armstead, though
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    Starks has 32.5 career sacks--not bad for a DT.
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    Yes, but that's not really representative of his current level of play. Shaun Ellis got a boatload of sacks in his career too, didn't look like it when we signed him. I'd rather spend $8 mil on a DT/DE who can have a major impact on games than $5 mil on a player who is not really capable of collapsing the pocket at this stage of his career.
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    He has been a 34 DE most of his career. 32.5 in 9 seasons is indicative of a guy who can't rush the passer. Also pass rushing is more than a sack number.
    If this were the NFL in 2002, and we needed a 34 DE, sure, but this team needs someone who can beat his man consistently as a pass rusher and put pressure on the QB, in fact it need a few of them.
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    As per your usual, an uninformed statement delivered with great authority. Starks has played 6 of his 9 years as a DT, and was a disruptive penetrator in that role.

    Pryor (should be healthy finally) and Armstead should also be able to fit the interior rush role, but I would like to see a Starks or similar brought in for insurance.
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    I'm pretty sure the Dolphins played a 43 base up until only 2 years ago during his career. Even if that were true, 34 DEs rarely have great sack numbers. Seymour is one of the greatest 34 DEs ever and only has what, 50 sacks?

    Unless you play in the Bum Phillips 34 scheme, you are never going to get gaudy stats out of your 5 techs. And even then it takes a complete freak of nature like Watt to have a GOAT season to have great numbers.

    Going by sack numbers for a 5tech is like pointing to a CB's tackles as an indicator of greatness.

    Starks would be a massive upgrade over Love, and isn't going to cost franchise money like Melton and co. would- those guys are all pipe dreams. I mean Belichick really wanted Red Bryant and he's about as one dimensional as a run stuffer and not pass rusher as you can possibly get.
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    He is not a pass rusher.

    Based on what? He hasn't neem healthy in years. And if he miraculously is, what would you expect?


    Starks will cost more than insurance, and really isn't what we need, IMO. Love or Deaderick can do all he does at a similar level, and he can't do what they lack. I want a pass rush.
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    Whether he is playing in a 34 or 43, he lacks pass rush skills. I am looking for a better pass rush. Starks won't help it.
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    Yep. And seeing how Red Bryant's season went, Belichick was quite misguided on that one and we are fortunate Seattle robbed us of the opportunity to screw it up.
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    I'm sorry, but we live in the real world with a salary cap.

    DTs who can stuff the run and offer great pass rush are way out of our budget.


    Seriously? Bryant had a phenomenal season this year and was one of the main reasons Seattles defense was so good. The Patriots lost against the Seahawks because it was like running into a brick wall wherever Bryant was lined up and their DL in general minus Irvin.
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    Starks is their best player on D. Hes a beast.
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    But we need a pass rush MUCH more than a run stopping DT.

    Budget isnt a reason to spend a bunch of moeny on a guy who doesnt fill an important need.
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    Turns out Red Bryant was playing on a torn plantar fascia for part of this past season. That would explain why he wasn't playing well to end the season (and he wasn't, despite the "phenomenal season" claim of a certain other poster).
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    I wouldn't mind having Starks as part of the DL. My concern is that he'll demand too much money, and we'll likely have to fill those competition spots via the draft and the usual suspects of cheaper priced vets etc.

    A high pick in the draft may be the way to go.
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    How high though? I'm assuming we're going to be targeting a safety and a skill position player with the first two picks.
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    I believe the guy you're thinking of is Brandon Mebane.
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    I would expect that we would be targeting DT, WR, and S in the first 3 rounds. The need and the availability seems to be a match for the pats. Of course, when we actually pick, the situation may be different.

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    I wouldn't put it any higher than a third round priority. IMO, the priorities should be: S (round 1/2 depending on a trade), WR (round 2), DT/DE (round 3).
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    Depends how you look at prioriities.
    If you can only get one or the other, S is a bigger priority.
    If you can get capable players at both spots, including a stud at one, we would be better with the stud being the DT.
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    What we as fans see as the bigger priorities don't always mesh with what Belichick sees as the best way of approaching the draft or the team building process in general.

    Much like you, I'd love to have a S and WR in the first 2 picks, but in all actuality either one of those picks may be addressed in the free agency period and/or in the mid rounds (assuming that we have a pick somewhere in the mid rounds, which is probably likely). It's also possible that we see one of those two picks the way that you propose with DT taking the place of the other choice.

    I actually think it may be possible that a higher round (1-3) safety may not even be chosen in April due to possibly filling the need in free agency and Belichick just having taken Tavon Wilson in the 2nd round last year. It's certainly a possibility and would coincide with some of the "sure things" that we've all thought before that Bill Belichick hasn't agreed with, most notably in 2011 when everyone was positive that we were choosing at least one/two front seven players, and yet he went offense heavy instead.

    One could make a reasonable argument that it could be somewhat of a wasted pick if we addess it in free agency with a nice combo of McCourty, FA, and Tavon Wilson continuing to get more experience and developmental reps as a high pick last year. That also leaves Gregory as a backup/role guy too, and at a somewhat higher rate to boot. If the position is addressed in FA, then I'd have a hard time seeing where the new rookie would see the field all that often, and possibly even next year too, even considering the fact that Gregory will probably be gone for 2014.
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    There's what, two DT's in the league who are known for their pass rushing abilities? That's not really something you hold against guys who play that position, and you certainly don't rest the laurels of your defense on whether or not your DT's get pressure, particularly as the league trends toward packing light and flying around the field.

    If Armond Armstead is halfway decent, he is the guy that they hoped they had in Jonathan Fanene, then it's time to focus on the edges because even if Chandler Jones turns into a year two stud, there needs to be another guy on the edge for this defense to trend upward.
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    He had a good season. Phenomenal might be an overreaction, but to suggest he was horrible is absurd. Just because a DT doesn't get ten sacks, doesn't mean they are a poor player or had a bad year, which is what I got the poster was implying.

    By that standard Vince was horrible for us this year as well.
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