I would not put Mike Florio on par with Bill Belichick on talent evaluation.
Mike Florio runs Pro Football Talk, not Pro Football Focus. One is a gossip site and the other is a make believe metrics site.
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Statistics can be a tool in the right hands.
^ exactly - Florio does not have to account for his picks.
Actually the answer is no, he didn't and he doesn't. If he did then they would actually pay attention to the make believe fantasy metrics put out by sites like PFF, in which case they would have been picking first every year.
No offense, but I hate posts like this.PFF doesn't have football people working for it and many have acknowledged that there are major flaws in their throught processes.
Belichick has and does use statistical analysis of just about every situation to determine what the team should do. It's what led to the 4th and 2 call a few years ago against the Colts that failed. It's what led to him deferring until the 2nd half in 95% of the games where he's won the flip. It's why the Patriots attempt so few two-point conversions in comparison to other teams.
Does Belichick rely SOLELY on statistics? No. But you're being pretty ignorant if you think that statistics don't play a huge role in how Belichick runs the team and makes game-deciding play-calls.
No offense, but I hate posts like this.
How do you know what BB based 4th and 2 on? How would deferring be based on statistics? And even if it could, how would you know BB bases it on statistical analysis. Same with 2 point conversions.
No offense, but I hate posts like this.
How do you know what BB based 4th and 2 on? How would deferring be based on statistics? And even if it could, how would you know BB bases it on statistical analysis. Same with 2 point conversions.
Appeal to authority in an argument is one thing, but to make up what you think his thought process is and treat that guess as a fact and arguing as if it proves something is ridiculous.
Along with Mariucci, Bill Belichick of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots is one of several NFL head coaches who has actually studied Romer's working paper, which, with references and tables, runs a stout 33 pages. Maybe it's because Belichick graduated from Wesleyan University with a bachelor's degree in economics.
"I think, basically, he was saying that if you get down there and don't score, you're putting the other team 80, 90 yards away from the goal line anyway, and the chances of them scoring aren't very good," Belichick said. "You'll probably get the ball back in good field position. And the percentages added up to his conclusion, which was to go for it."
I'm pretty sure he cited a college study regarding going for it more on fourth down, but i need to leave now and don't have time to verify that.
The only problem with that is the situation (4th and 2 on the Pats 45) is different than "putting the other team 80,90 yards away from the goal line". Again, it's about the entire situation. BTW, no where did I say that Belichick was the one who brought sabermetrics in. I was just using that as a reference to say that Belichick DOES use sabermetrics. Which was something that IVAN was claiming otherwise.
It's all about context.
Acknowledging a study being done in the topic does not mean he based his decision on statistics.
Paying attention to statistics is not "using sabermetrics"The only problem with that is the situation (4th and 2 on the Pats 45) is different than "putting the other team 80,90 yards away from the goal line". Again, it's about the entire situation. BTW, no where did I say that Belichick was the one who brought sabermetrics in. I was just using that as a reference to say that Belichick DOES use sabermetrics. Which was something that IVAN was claiming otherwise.
It's all about context.
Acknowledging a study being done in the topic does not mean he based his decision on statistics.
Paying attention to statistics is not "using sabermetrics"
im sure he uses analytical thinking and such, but football doesnt lend itself to that sort of stuff as much....the variables are more isolated in baseball and easier to dissect independently, whereas in football they are all working in concert with eachother, so the stats dont mean as much....you have to master the art of game film and technique, etc
just my opinion, could be wrong
That's all you got? Not sure why you jumped in to my post responding to someone else stating that BB used the statistics in that article to make his decision when you come back with "whatever".Whatever.
Which makes your response even more curious. What point are you trying to make here?I actually made the first reply to the OP. You can read it if you want.
Which makes your response even more curious. What point are you trying to make here?