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  1. NEPettyOfficer72

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    Bare with me, this is alot I know, but I'm sick of hearing those outside say that we lack talent, because all of the tools for success are there. The defense just needs to realize it and wake up .. and dominate.

    DEFENSIVE LINE

    All I hear people say lately is that the defense this year doesn't have the talent to compete anymore, and I strongly disagree. When I look at the Patriot defensive roster this year I see one of the most talented units in all of football. It's just not applying on the field like I know it could for whatever reason. You have a line stacked with great veteran experience, and playmaking ability in Albert Haynesworth "Fat Albert" (former MVP candidate), Vince Wilfork "Wilfork's Island", Shaun "Don't call me Abraham" Ellis, Gerard Warren "Big Money" and Andre I've come alive Carter who is having a terrific season. Not to mention, other "younger" talent behind these guys like Mark Anderson who at one time had over 12 sacks with Chicago during their lights out defensive years. He too is having a nice season tied with Carter for a team lead of 4.5 sacks. That rotation alone has the potential to produce affective pash rush and a very low rushing yard percentaged averaged against them.

    And age wise, they are not old like some critics are calling them. Albert Haynesworth is only 30 .. and if 31 then barely. Vince Wilfork is around the same age... maybe 32 and Shaun Ellis, didn't he just give us trouble last year? These guys should be eating up one on one blocks, taking up at least 2 or 3 offensive lineman with them and freeing up space for other defensive lineman and Linebackers to make plays rushing the passer. Not only that but they should also have more than enough pressure just from their rotation alone which would allow for the linebackers to make plays on the ball during passing situations as well as the secondary which I will get to later on. With that being said, all the ingredients is there, just needs either the right scheme, motivation or application onto the field during game situations.

    LINEBACKERS

    Linebacker wise, I believe that we also have great talent and potential here as well. To me, Jerod Mayo can be as good as they come and is a top 5 Linebacker in this league period. He does whatever you ask him to do and is great at it. When he is healthy, he definitely makes a difference and prepares for the game like Pat Kirwan said, "a young Ray Lewis". And the great thing about all of this is that he is still young, younger then what Tedy was during his prime and learned from Tedy and some of the other greats in this game. His counter part former Florida Gator Superstar Brandon Spikes, can also be a very good playmaker. Where he lacks speed, he makes up for it being instinctive and extremely strong, allowing him to shed blocks and blow up plays whenever he wants. Potentially, these two together could be a very effective duo, with all the tools to take over certain game situations and stop the opposing offense at will. In addition, the other players like versatile linebacker Rob Ninkovich who is vastly underrated and Dane Fletcher who can be a very active and aggresive run stuffer at the point of attack as well as the undrafted Gary Guyton are all good players, and I don't see why the struggles have been going on here at all.

    SECONDARY

    And last but not least, the secondary. Now I realize that we've lost Leigh Bodden, Brandon Meriweather and Ras-I Dowling all in one season but there is yes I'm going to say it, there is still talent here. Second year Cornerback Devin McCourty had one of the greatest rookie defensive seasons EVER (made CAPTAIN). He displayed his best Mike Haynes impressions on a weekly basis, breaking his interception record set back in 1976 I believe. Top receivers in the league were getting shut down or handled at his expense and tackles were being made. He played loose, inspired, he was focused and looked every bit of as advertised coming out of college and then some. To me, he looked like the best cornerback next to Ty Law and Mike Haynes who've we ever had and better than the gambler/risk-reward corner Asante Samuel, displaying that he is a better OVERALL corner. IMO, I truly believe Devin is that good, as good as what he played last year and will be a great player for years to come, he just has to find his way back and I believe he can. You can't fluke a rookie season like that at the cornerback position

    On the other side, Kyle Arrington seems to be having a career year, and is playing well even though he's had his moments. I think that as he continues to make his game whole, from an overall standpoint will shed more light on that side of the field because he is showing up the signs of being a good player but needs to do it on a more consistent basis. And that experience in the nickle and slot as well as some starting experience in some games last year didn't hurt as well. Definitely not a lack of talent on that side either. And next on the depth chart, behind those two is Antwaun Molden who was the next best prospect coming out of college at his position behind Antonio Cromartie-Rodgers during the 2008 draft. He has tremendous upside with great size, strength along with speed and needs to put it all together and will be a factor if he does. I just don't understand why he hasn't yet, and perhaps he'll have more chances moving forward

    Now on to one of my favorite players in the NFL, Patrick Chung. Here is an extremely smart, instinctive, determined, hard-nosed, tough and talented Safety who potentially could have made the probowl last year if not for being injured and even still made an impact. He has the capability of carrying the torch for Rodney Harrison, being that type of enforcer and in the past has showed flashes of Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed, especially during that Miami game last year. I think he can play like that night all the time, but first needs to improve communication within the secondary, as he can be a great leader. He also needs to physically step up and become to intimidator he once was in college and his rookie and sophmore year. Patrick Chung has all the tools neccesary to be an all-pro, and the type of safety who doesn't need anyone elite player alongside him, but needs to get it together.

    CONCLUSION

    I'm sick of the excuses, as we have enough talent to bring back those years of Superbowl Championships in the past. We have plenty of playmakers and guys that can get it done despite what others outside may think. Every position on our defense has at least one or two probowl or all-pro caliber players which gives us more than a shot at being a championship defense. We just need to put it all together and realize that, whether its scheme, desire or communication. And with Bill Belichick at the helm, I am confident that it will all be fixed. R.I.P to Miss Myra Kraft. Thats all I have.
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    Bare with me, this is alot I know

    Sorry...I don't swing in that direction....normally, I like to be fully clothed when I post on
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    I like your confidence in this year's squad...I hope it proves out.
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    With this amount of intense scrutiny and criticism, if they don't show any life this week ....
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    They do lack talent, and all the tools for success aren't there, unless those tools are "Brady plays as if he's not human, and he makes up for a host of problems.".

    You mentioned the years of Super Bowl Championships past, but you seem unable to admit that the team is far less talented today than it was then. Well, you may not like it, but that's the reality of this 2011 team.
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    Yup. Ladies and gents these are your starters on D:

    CB Moulden
    CB Adams
    S Ihedigbo
    LB Guyton
    LB Ninkovich

    How many of them would be starting on any other team? Yup none. Heck even Leigh Bodden is having a hard time being picked up. Am all for confidence but delusional? No thanks.
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    That's the annoying thing about this defense. They have more than enough talent to be a top 10 D.

    Look at San Fran, Cleveland and Jacksonville. All top 10 in points and yards. You can't look at their rosters and tell me they have an edge in talent over us. At best, they're even.
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    Interesting theory. Let's take SF. Which positions do you think favor the Patriots, which favor the 49ers, and which are even?
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    Guyton has been awful this year, worse than I've ever seen him play and I really have thought bad thoughts about him. He improved last year, but that improved is gone.

    Spikes has been inconsistent, very inconsistent.

    The secondary..well we have Chung playing well...then there is everybody else...would they even start for another NFL team? McCourty and Arrington might, but the rest?

    Its a disaster. It isn't a problem they can fix in a week and it may not be something they can fix this year. Sad truth of the matter, I don't think we have the horses to compete at the NFL level.
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    A top 10 D?

    Scrubs Antwan Molden and a multiple cut Phillip Adams two perennial lifetime PS players just one injury away from starting in the secondary?

    An underachieving McCourty who has not adjusted to the new D and an inconsistent Chung who is decent one minute and lousy the next??

    No Pass Rush as usual?

    And you say this could be a top 10 D?? :rofl:

    If this D gets out of the 30s and into the mids 20s rank by seasons end,its an improvement ... thats all we can hope for in 2011.

    We have to get rid of Boyer and Patricia and get someone good in there to help these guys out next year.
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    Don't have time to do an in depth analysis. I looked at their rosters and nothing jumped out at me. Most positions are a wash.
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    If Molden and Adams were starting, you'd have a point, but they aren't, so you don't.

    Cleveland is one injury from having Ray Ventrone starting. They're 5th in yards allowed.
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    not to mention SF plays in the worst division in the nfl
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    Thought no way Vince is 32. Checked it up and he turned 30 today!

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    Uh, I just said I looked at the rosters.

    Why don't you take a look at Cleveland's roster and explain to me why they should be allowing 125 yds/game less than our defense. Show me the significant talent gap.
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    Not tough to match up 11 players or so....

    Because you listed SF first, so I asked about that defense.
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