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    On a recent visit to Kansas City, draft prospect Barwin was told by the Chiefs that although they have the third pick of the draft at the moment, they did not know what picks they would have by draft time. Here's the link:
    Chiefs trying to match team's shopping list with draft slots - Kansas City Star

    What are the chances that the Pats will trade for the third pick overall? Here's an idea I've been mulling over...Seymour and the Pats first rounder for the third pick of the draft. Trading Seymour would likely save enough cap $ so that the Pats could afford to pay the third pick of the draft. Jarvis could get an extended contract, and perhaps JT could still be brought in to share duties with Jarvis at DE (as well as play a little OLB.) Patriots would have to draft a DE with their top pick in the second round. I assume Aaron Curry will be taken with the third pick.

    I really believe that if this does not go down, Seymour is gone in 2010 anyway. I think the Pats will focus on keeping Wilfork and Mankins instead. Might as well get what we can for Seymour while we can. And that third pick will be a stud. (Aaron Curry?)

    Before you guys jump on me, think about this for a bit. It actually makes sense.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    like...........crazy..........man

    but I would not do it for seymour AND a 1st rounder.......maybe for seymour and the last 2nd rounder
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    I think the chance is 0. NE doesn't want the 3rd pick with all it's cost. Curry is a great player, but he's probably an SILB in NE's scheme and paying that kind of money for any SILB is crazy.

    There's a better chance that KC trades Cassel to Denver for #18 and takes Barwin at #18.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    I could see curry outside.............yeah, there's next to zero chance, but from a cost perspective, seymour is going to cost mucho $$$$ next year anyway

    and I'm a big seymour fan, but if this helps set up the pats for longer.......

    and no.....there is not a better chance that kc trades cassel.........but I would not be suprised to see the broncos making a deal with the browns for quinn
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    the chances are slim and none and its in texas, not going to happen..:banned:
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    One of the major differences between the Pats and many of the other teams in the NFL is how the Pats manage their money. The Patriots are very good at it while the majority of the of the other NFL teams are not. The Patriots have no interest in the 3rd pick in the draft because of the money that they would have to fork over to sign the kid. Top 3 dollar contracts are a big reason why the teams that are consistently drafting so high rarely improve. Until the NFL deal with this out of whack salary structure for high draft picks, the Pats will have no more interest in #3 overall than I have in the fat girl who lives next door.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    Mayo, you like intrigue. I can't see them reaching for the#3 pick but.....What say to this one? LJ is going to be cut after the grievance. The Chiefs need a RB. It won't be for the number three poick, but K.C.'s number three for Maroney? CAP is a concern in this case but not a big one. So we do get another pick from K.C but niot 3.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    Trading an All Pro for an unproven, unknown rookie to possibly be nearly as good as Richard Seymour and paying all that cashola makes zero sense to me.

    If the Patriots want to keep Wilfork/Mankins and Richard Seymour and the players and payers are reasonable, they will find a way ang get it done. The only players we have lost are those that really did not want to stay around here anymore and be somewhat "reasonable" in salary requirements, like Deion Branch and Assante.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    So, just to make sure I have this right.... You think giving up the team's best defensive player PLUS its first round pick in order to get into position to draft #3 in a draft that's considered extremely weak at the top outside of left tackle is a move that makes sense?

    What player available in this draft could possibly be special enough to warrant such a move?
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    Great, so the Pats trade away a RB, and take a cap hit to do it, for #67? I'll pass, TYVM.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    I think Wilfork is the team's best defensive player, but you should read my post a little closer. My suggestion is made on the assumption that we've got Seymour for one more year only. If that assumption is correct (and you are certainly free to disagree with that assumption--though I don't know how the team will keep Mankins, Wilfork, and a very costly Seymour) then the third pick of the draft would be a very suitable exchange for a very good player who we will likely have for just a year. I'm not thrilled with the cost of the third pick overall, but you've got to get a stud to replace a stud.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    It won't happen.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    Likely not, but it could happen if they feel it worthwhile.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    But even under your assumption, you're making your defensive line much, much weaker in a year where it's essentially "Super Bowl or bust!" all for a left tackle that's not needed until at least next season, or a rookie linebacker that's not going to have Seymour there to keep him clean. Raji is a DT, so he doesn't make sense at #3 and, if BB were to take a QB at #3, I'd lead the charge for forcing him to get a mental evaluation.

    I'm sorry, but it still doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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    I agree with the worthwhile part, but you know our coach and his belief that the later rounds are just as important and fruitful as the high first round. Trading for the third pick just seems completely "un-Belichick."

    Not to mention that they're reporting that he, too, has failed the combine drug test.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    I'm assuming the third pick would be Curry not Raji.
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    This is the best thread today so far. I guess I'll refrain from posting my theory where I believe the Pats will execute a trade that gives them all 32 picks in the first round. ;)
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    You think Curry will still be on the board by that time? Some people have been saying different lately. I hope you're right.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    Your assumption with regard to Seymour is on target. Seymour will

    demand Haynesworth and Peppers money. If the Patriots franchise

    him, he will simply sit out 6 games in protest. Would fans rather get

    nothing in return for him next year?
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    There's a black helicopter over my house. I swear they're watching me type. Must........not............blink...........
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    I don't see this happening. Not because I think the Pats wouldn't trade Seymour in the right circumstances, but I think the Pats have no interest drafting in the top 5 of the draft. Even getting Curry with the pick is a huge risk.
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    That would be why I mentioned the linebacker left unprotected.... I dismissed Raji as an option because he's a DT.
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    Which they will then subsequently trade away to the other teams in exchange for their first round and second round picks next year... hehehe
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    Haha. How awesome would it be to just be able to sift through the top 64 players for the best ones and then just cut the sucky guys for the other teams.

    I mean, we already do this, they just don't realize it, but...
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    I certainly do not think there is anyway in the world they would try to franchise him, that would be much too high of a cap hit. If they can't reach a deal on something reasonable (little higher than right now, per inflation etc) then it's not going to happen. If they've been able to keep him this long, then it's certainly possible to continue to keep him, at a little higher cost. I think they'd much rather franchise Vince at half the price, but who knows? The situation will be discussed at length for the next yr.

    They probably aren't going to negotiate with Seymour now, especially in a contract yr--for fear of getting burnt. Maybe he comes back softer (as some would argue,) after signing big money like last time. Then again, if he plays large, like expected in a contract yr, then he'll demand too much and we'd have to let him go. I think you can depend on him every play, every game, and every yr the same--at an extremely high level. I also think he was somewhat injured, and took a little while to shake off a couple of injuries--but he's been back. I hope that he can somehow stay, and think trading him, especially now in a contract yr, is pointless. I do not think he will demand Haynesworth money, unless you figure that to be the first 4 yrs of Haynesworth's contract (approx. 12 mill / per) Since that is a little more than he's making already, that may be alright with them.

    I think we're still going by the assumption that BB thinks Wilfork is more irreplaceable than Seymour, just because many of us feel that way. That may be true, or he may feel differently. Only time will tell.
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    Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

    The chances are zero because the top five picks in the draft will be the highest paid players at their position without ever having taken an NFL snap.

    That represents HORRIBLE value. Truly horrible.

    And the Pats are nto fans of doing things for horrible value, much less TRADING up to get a horrible value deal.

    So the chances aren't "small", or "remote", or "unlikely". They are ZERO.
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    No, it really doesn't.

    Jarvis Green isn't that great, especially not when assuming full time duties.
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    LOL.

    Not this again.
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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    I know. How stupid of me. I am wrong and you are right. You win JB.... as usual.
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