Manning isn't getting more love because he has 24 TDs vs. Brady's 21. He's not even being compared to Brady. Brady isn't even in the narrative. He's getting more love because he's coming off a terrible injury that knocked him out for a season and there were serious questions about whether he could play at all, let alone at an MVP level again.
For one, Brady did do the same thing in '07. He didn't necessarily have anyone who was a close competitor for the MVP race, but again, I was simply referring to the one guy who says "I hate Manning because everytime i watch the Broncos play, dude never hands off the ball in the red zone even on the 1 yard line."
By that logic he should hate Tom Brady, too.
If you want to talk about the MVP race, then I completely disagree that short TDs should be somehow discounted. It's generally accepted that running is the preferred inside the 10, particularly inside the 3-4 yd line. When a team with a solid RB, like McGahee, decides to throw in those areas, it simply highlights the VALUE they put on their QB.
This will probably be: :deadhorse:
But anyway; Just did some quick fact checking 2007 v 2012.
2012 NE TDs: 21P / 18R = 46% rushing TDs
2012 Den TDs: 24P /6 R = 20% rush
2007 NE TDs: 50P / 17R = 25% rush
note that currently NE is #1 team for rushing TDs and Den is #21 (5 way tie so could be 25 too), in 2007 NE was #5 team for rushing TDs and 6 rushing TDs in 2007 would have made you tied for 30/31.
Although only a 5% difference between 2007 TB and 2012 PM; if you could figure out how many of those passing TDs were breakaway (Moss-like) runs the % the Pats ran in the ball would likely increase much more dramatically than PMs.
So I think the data does say PM/Denver is choosing to PASS to the EZ at a significantly
higher rate than BOTH the 2012 NFL avg and the NE 2007 rate.
So the poster who started this argument HAD A POINT and a comparison to 2007 TB is really NOT VALID ; But that said: ......
saying it is NECESSARILY PM who is choosing to pass not run, rather than the OC - is something we can't know. Even if it is ENTIRELY WITHIN his (PM's) KNOWN PERSONA.
Also, as you (JJDChE) said in last point; (in other words) at a critical point in the game do you want the ball in the hands of your best player? So if you 'value' (TRUST) PM that much higher than McGahee (who does have 5 fumbles) - it is justifiable.
Now Finally: coming back to the point of discussion MVP. Of course PM is being considered for MVP because of his COMEBACK FROM INJURY (gee i thought that the definition of comeback player of year??? ). But if he DIDN"T HAVE 24 passing & 6 run TDs and instead had 20 pass/10run because his offense ran it in at closer to but STILL BELOW the NFL average rate; YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT HIS MVP candidacy
SUPPORTERS WOULD HAVE A MUCH TOUGHER ARGUMENT. Then he would just be considered for comeback and not be in the MVP discussion at all.
so the running vs passing # IS RELEVANT to the MVP discussion and PM should be decremented because of it (or VIEWED IN THE CONTEXT OF IT).
Of course now with the loss of McG; they will have even more excuse to throw it in. Hopefully that results in a few pick-12s (loss of 6 and return for 6 the other way)
, then it will even things out for TB.
OTHER Rush TD details:
2007 NE 17 (Maroney-6*, Morris-3, Evans-3, Eckel-2, TB-2*, Cassel-1)
2012 Den 6 (McG-4*, Hillman=1, Moreno-1,
PM-0*)
2012 NE 18 (Ridley-8, Vereen-3, TB-3, Bolden-2, Woodhead-2)
NOTE: Maroney in '07 was 185 for 835 yds and McGahee in '12 is 167 for 731 which is relatively comparable despite less games for McG; & Maroney had 50% MORE TDs. And Maroney only accounted for 33% of NEs 2007 TDs; whereas McG has 66% of Den rush TD.
So 2007 NE using a multi-back offense was 50% more likely to run it in using their primary back than 2012 Den using a single/premier back offense.
(bad use of % but I want to make a rhetorical argument here)
