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  1. upstater1

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    After Matt Ryan's meltdown yesterday, it seems the QB stat race is now down to Brady, Manning and Ryan.

    Brady gets dinged for fewer TDs and--esp. in comparison to Manning--a lower completion rate.

    That lower completion rate is really nonsense because of the first downs the Patriots rack up. I've never seen a team where a pass incompletion was almost a non-statistic. Mesko rarely sees the field, which means pass incompletions are not hurting the Patriots too badly.

    The one stat I took the most notice of:

    Rushing TDs:

    Patriots 16
    Broncos 6
    Packers 2

    Kick/Punt returns for TD:

    Patriots 2
    Broncos 2
    Packers 1

    Fumble/Int for TD:

    Patriots 3
    Broncos 4
    Packers 1

    Total non-passing TDs:

    Patriots 21
    Broncos 12
    Packers 4

    This is something to consider when comparing Brady to Manning and Rodgers.
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    You may want to take a look at what Discount Double Check is doing also.

    So far this season, I think he beats them all.
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    Rodgers has had more average games than both Brady and Manning. Against Arizona he played pretty poorly and still threw 4 TDs. Against Jacksonville he struggled for pretty much the whole game and still had a passer rating in the 90's. His numbers are great, and he's an awesome player, but the Packers never run the football inside the 10-yard line, and their offensive output isn't anything to write home about. The main driving force behind his amazing statistics are the amount of touchdowns he's thrown, but that's how Green Bay plays, they throw the football all the time. Brady leads the second highest scoring offense in NFL history, the fact that we use our RBs to punch it in when near the goal-line, instead of throwing it, shouldn't be factored against him.
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    Great post! I hate Manning because everytime i watch the Broncos play, dude never hands off the ball in the red zone even on the 1 yard line.
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    Most in the NFL by 4 TD.
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    He looks like he beats them all because of the amount of TD's he throws for but like it was already mentioned, his team has only rushed for 2 TD's. Brady could pad his stats like that too, but he doesn't care to. Plus if you look at the common opponents for Brady and Rodgers - Brady has done much better besides the Cardinals game.
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    The Patriots, not surprisingly, are dead last in total punts, but the other two teams aren't that far behind:

    Patriots: 34
    Donkeys: 42
    Falcons: 37
    Packers: 48
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    Patriots: 358 pts
    Packers: 263 pts

    enough said.
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    I'd say punting 8 and 14 more times is being pretty far behind. There's no argument that could be made that the Packers and Broncos are in the same level as the Patriots offensively. That goes through Brady. The Pats have won the same amount of games as those teams, with a much better offense and a worse defense. If the MVP is chosen the way it's supposed to, rewarding the player most indispensable to the success of his team, Tom Brady should be the choice. But I very much doubt he'll win the award.
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    Unfortunately, we all know Manning will win it.
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    Yup. So many guys who could win it, so we know how that goes.

    Funny, I remember when Manning was with the Colts and, if it was close, people would say Manning means more to the Colts than Brady does to the Pats (ie where would they be without him?) If that standard is applied this year, it's easily in Brady's favor. That Denver D got the team to the playoffs last with Tim Freaking Tebow at QB, and is only getting better.
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    I have never understood the love fest by the media for Manning. I get that he is a great player, but the amount of attention he gets is far more than any other 'great ' player in recent memory !

    Sometimes so many players are over looked for their accomplishments because it seems that as long as Manning is playing and part of the discussion, no one merits any serious consideration.
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    Tom Brady is an incredible QB putting up crazy crooked numbers more consistently than one would ever think possible even in this era of the QB.

    Blows my mind when people think he is slipping. True he is purely a pocket passer but I think we have all seen what happens to QB's with more ability and opportunity to get out and run. They just end up getting beat up and eventually become useless. Brady does seem to have lost something with regard to the deep ball. He does not get as much opportunity to throw it as he used to but does not seem to throw it as well as he used to either. I think he has lost some confidence in it as well.

    Has the decision making power and speed of a computer. The only way to stop him is to overpower his offensive line. If you can't do that, he will assassinate you every time.

    Manning is probably the sentimental favorite this year for any QB awards.
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    Right, good point. But I wasn't mentioning that to show how much better the Patriots' offense is. I was simply questioning the amount of weight given to incompletions in the QB rating statistic. It's given far far too much weight, especially in the pass happy NFL now where a 4 or 5 yard run on 1st down followed by a 2nd down incompletion does not seem to hurt these top teams when it comes to third downs. In the old days, it really meant something that you blanked on 2nd down. Now, not so much. This is precisely why the stat is totally misleading.

    This goes for Luck as well. His completion % was abysmally low, but he had his team at 6-3 prior to yesterday, precisely because they moved the ball and scored. Granted, his INTs are way too high, and that hurts his rating just as bad, but he's hurt just as badly for lack of completions.
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    Manning is a great player no doubt but has anyone ever watched a Broncos game? Anything under the opponents 10 yard line, 95% of the offensive plays are passing. Especially at the 1 frigen yard line. I get he has something to prove but cmon. Brady would have far more superior stats (31-3 TD/INT) if he consistently pulled a Manning.
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    And the Broncos defense has looked great which helps.
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    Kinda like 2007, when Brady won the MVP?
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    Yeah because 2012 Manning is comparable to 2007 Brady right? In 2007 we had 14 rushing TD's, the Bronco's have 5 so far. If Manning throws for 50 TD's and 9 interceptions I'll deliver the MVP trophy to him myself.
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    Brady's worst two games by passer rating:

    at Sea: 36-58 (62.1%), 395 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 79.3 rating
    vs Ari: 28-46 (60.9%), 316 yds, 1 td, 1 int, 79.6 rating

    In each one, he completed over 60% of his passes, threw for more than 300 yards, and in neither case did he have more INTs than TDs.

    Again, these were his two *worst* games of the year, by quite a bit.

    That's amazing.
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    We had Maroney in the backfield LOL
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    His past 3-4 games have been absolute clinics. This might be my favorite version of the Pats offense and Brady ever.
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    If Peyton throws 50 touchdowns, I'd be okay with him receiving the MVP, even if all of those came inside the 3-yard line. The situations aren't even remotely comparable. Nice try, though.
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    I think if you were to compare absolute A+ games among the Elite QBs you might find someone better then Brady but when it comes to consistently week in and week out great QB play there is none greater. Those numbers are the kind that get over looked when comparing QB's not only how great are they on their good days, but how awful are they on their bad days. There is a reason that Brady has the best win percentage of any QB in history, it's his consistency. So thankful he is the Patriots QB because every week I think we have a great chance to win. I can count on one hand the number of games I would say Brady was a major reason for a loss... they happen, he's human, but they are very rare.
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    Last four games: 96-150 (64.0%), 1131 yds, 11 td, 0 int, 111.3 rating

    Pats averaging 42.5 points a game over this stretch.

    BTW, New England has by *FAR* the biggest point differential in the league at +133 (+13.3 per game).
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    Don't complain about throwing inside the 10 because that's what got Brady his 50.
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    What are you even talking about? Had Brady gotten 50 touchdowns throwing a lot of them inside the 10-yard line, and another quarterback threw 45, while his team rushed for 20 TDs, and he hardly ever passed the ball when near the endzone, a very good argument could be made that the second QB had the better season. That's all that's being discussed here. Nobody is saying there's something inherently wrong with throwing the football on those situations, just that it's a factor that should be taken into consideration when deciding which quarterback is having the best season. That's all.
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    Not exactly. For his career, he has 60 TDs from 3 yards out or fewer out of 321 (18.7%). In 2007 he had 11 out of 50 (22%).

    This year Manning has 6 of 24 (25%).
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    Exactly. Manning is doing it at about the same rate as Brady did in 2007. Complaining that it's inflating his stats is pure sour grapes. Find something else to whine about people.
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