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    Was it just me or did it seem like Tom was backing straight up to avoid the rush? Im watching Tony Romo and Eli Manning move around and earlier I was watching Cutler do the same thing. Brady would drop straight back and he was forced to throw the ball of his back foot causing inaccurate passes. IMO a big reason why Brady struggled so much was because of his inability to maneuver around in the pocket to buy more time. Granted the Jets were all over him today and Im surprised we didnt screen the Hell out of them if we are going to beat teams with good pass rushing ability like the Jets, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, (Yeah I know we dont play them in the regular season) etc... We need to be able to Run the Ball, Run more screens, and Brady will need to do a better job of maneuvering around in the pocket....PS. I think all three are far inferior to Brady as passers and QB's but they are better athletes.
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    Brady is making technique errors and there doesn't seem to be anyone there to help.

    After Peyton's troubles last year, it does make sense that Brady will need some time to get back to 100%. But there should be some folks who run the show. After all they are getting paid to be QB coach and OC and head coach for that matter.
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    I'd only like to add, that there were two plays i noticed where he did move out of the pocket, and had time to set his feet, yet he didnt. He threw off his back foot, causing 2 bad throws, and the rush was not on him yet.

    He'll get it worked out. I hope :cool:
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    Just a rumor, but I heard they're going to bring in a certain past president of a Pats fan club in a mountain west state (with its own time zone) to work with Brady.
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    why not bring in mike shanahan to help like they did with dom capers last year on D
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    The NEMster.
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    Who is that?
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    duh! :eek: Im getting slower with old age. I shouldve guessed NEM
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    Believe it or not he's over on the patriots.com board griping about the play calling.
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    well, O'brien is the guy making the throws, blocking, and catching as well. Hadnt you heard? :D
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    That's actually pretty easy to believe.
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    What u are talking about was demonstrated on the NBC Football America broadcast before the DAL-NYG game by Tony Dungy. Before the snap the Jets had a single high safety to the right which told Brady the blitz was coming from the right so Brady moved Faulk to the right. So at the snap instead of Brady go directly backwards he drifts to the left which allows the end come directly at himand Brady doesn't step into the throw where he misses galloway wide to the right who was open on an out on 3rd down on the second to last drive (with about 4 mins. left in the game) by the patriots
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    that was certainly one of them
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    But I'm pretty sure most people blamed this on Galloway
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    most of the 'fans' i was sitting with were blaming everything on the WRs. Its as if, some people think Brady is incapable of having a bad game.
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    i'm not an OC and don't claim to know as much about this as a lot of folks out here, but I thought that he wasn't "backing straight up," but actually drifting to his left and leaving the pocket before it was formed...but I'll let people who know more about this than I do tell me why I'm wrong on that...
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    A few things are off but it's a work in progress. To me he showed enough awareness in he pocket that I was optimistic. Several times he should have been sacked but he made some pretty deft moves to avoid the sack. I was not pessimistic about his play at all. I do agree that he had technique problems and wasn't setting up right, but as for navigating 20 blitzes by moving around the pocket, I was very optimistic. He'll be in a comfort zone soon, and he'll be able to step into those throws and we will all be singing his praises. Very few NFL QBs could navigate the pocket the way Brady did yesterday. His throwing motion, however, was not the stuff of an elite NFL QB.

    I've seen Brady have just as bad a game in crucial moments. For instance, the AFC Championship against the Chargers in 07. He looked bad that day. This happens sometimes.
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    I was listening to WEEI this morning and there is a segment every Monday morning with Boomer Esiason. Anyway, clearly Brady is not 100% back mentally from the knee injury- but Boomer seems to believe that the shoulder issue is more problematic than the team lets on.
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    Well that is information we can all take to the bank!

    Conjecture from Esiason, with no inside information, that the QB with 100 passes in the first 2 games has a problem with his shoulder. Hmmmm....should I believe Esiason or Brady and the Pats......
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    because guys like mike shanahan would be too proud to come back as an assistant.
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    100% agree with this assessment. Only QB that's pretty much comparable to TB is Peyton Manning and he has pretty crappy first few games. If I remember correctly, it took them a bit to fire on all cylinders.
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    Go back to your own board. You don't know **** about how Brady is with little time in the pocket......Brady always.....always makes his time with little slide moves. Being away for a year will take time to work the rust off.

    Never the same when you got pressure on him.....thanks for the football insight. No QB is the same when you get pressure on him......none.

    Typical Jester fan.....play it up now.....the Jesters won their Superbowl for the year. You're the type that if the Jesters had lost yesterday would never be here on this board today.......just leave already.....please.
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    Teams have figured out that they need to blitz up the middle with Tom to negate his slide moves and not allow him to step up. That's what they did for the most part yesterday and that's what the Giants did. I think we could have helped him out with some screen plays or swing out passes but they never came.

    I think everyone had unreal expectations when it came to Tom coming back from injury. Even our OC is calling plays like we're back in 07. You can tell he isn't comfortable and it's gonna take a while for him to get back to form.
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    It's been the exact opposite of what you say. Brady has excelled when you pressure him because men open up, he buys time, and makes the accurate throw. You need to check Brady's stats for when he's faced blitzes and been pressured. His completion % skyrockets to the 75% range.
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    This OL is like the elephant in the living room.

    Brady is a pocket passer with exceptionally deft pocket presence. That's when he has a pocket to operate within. He's never been comfortable scrambling and tossing it on the run. Screws up his mechanics and his are impeccable which is why he was so accurate on the Watson throws last week... I guess people dodn't notice the inevitable downside Romo and even Eli not to mention Ben and the all time gunslinger Favre experience on the run.

    Grass is always greener, I guess...
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    i posted this before. brian billick showed on film on NFLN that its very hard to screen a rex ryan defense because of the overloaded blitz scheme...
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    Lot of throws off the back foot, I don't think there's anything with the shoulder, I was actually amazed at his arm strength still managing to zing some of the throws in even though they were off the back foot. It just lost him accuracy.
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