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    From Mike Reiss, Brady altered his contract so Moss could fit in, heard on a lot of the sports shows how they were waiting for Tom to weigh in on this deal, guess this speaks volumes. Also suspect that this is Tom's way of putting his Imprimatur on this whole situation. The legend continues to grow..

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/05/01/brady_deserves_a_tip_of_the_cap/

    Quarterback Tom Brady has yet to publicly comment on the Patriots' acquisition of receiver Randy Moss, but his actions speak volumes.

    As part of the whirlwind process that brought Moss to New England, Brady provided a key assist.

    Because the Patriots had to acquire the original terms of Moss's contract as part of the trade with the Raiders, the team needed to clear salary cap space to absorb the $9.25 million figure that Moss was scheduled to earn.

    Enter Brady, who agreed to restructure his present contract that runs through 2010 to create the space.

    That allowed the Patriots to finalize the trade for Moss, who then tore up his old contract and signed a one-year, $3 million deal that could be worth up to $5 million in incentives.

    "Tom does what he can in order to win," said Don Yee, his agent.

    Brady's involvement with the Moss discussions was just one of the layers to a beat-the-clock process that began when the Patriots received permission from the Raiders to speak with Moss late Saturday night after the first three rounds of the draft.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    That's incredible. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by things like this after all this time, but it never ceases to amaze me.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    I doubt that Tom gave up any money. (He shouldn't have been asked to.)

    If he did a simple restructuring, the net effect would be to guarantee most of his $6M salary for this year, and move 75% of the gurantee into the future.

    That's something that any player would jump at.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    There are no words to thank Mo Lewis or... GOD!
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    Oh, my my my.

    You see what this means, right?

    First, Brady gives up nothing other than the timing of when he is paid what money. His hit to the cap in 2008 and beyond increases, but hey, so does the cap in general.

    For this year, however - I am gonna jus' 'bout crap mah pants here - right, Brady made room for the difference between what Randy was already due, and the $3M he was getting up front.

    Does this mean that Randy was due $6.75M more, and Brady restructured to the tune of that much? If so, this means yikes, with Moss here, new contract in hand, we are sitting on $6.75M waiting for guys to come to Foxboro and work out.

    Eh, this stuff is speculation right now I guess... I don't get whether Moss was due that whole 9.75 before he could come to town and sign for 3 or not, but if that's the case... well, all I can say is [ulp]... we ain't done yet.

    Almost scared of ourselves at this point,

    PFnV
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    BINGO!!!!

    I will never get what players are applauded for agreeing to getting the same amount of cash but earlier in the year WHILE increasing their future cap hits.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    I think that giving a player credit ("a tip of the cap") for guaranteeing his own salaray and/or collecting some of their future salary as an immediate bonus is among the most ridiculous and non-sensical aspects of the NFL. It's even worse when player's brag about it (e.g., "I stepped up and helped the team" -- see Ty Law circa 2003). The player is risking nothing, giving up nothing, and basically doing nothing at all!

    You can spend all day talking about the greatness of Brady. This should not be a part of that discussion.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    You got it. That's veteran linebacker or Asante extension money we now have available.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    I know. I remember once Ty Law was interviewed on ESPN, and he said when the Pats needed cap room (I thnk for Brady) he went to bat and re-did his contract, and now when it comes time to give him a pay raise, the Pats refused. I wondered if the interviewer was aware that he was being jobbed.

    If Brady took a hit, it is one thing. But if all he did was to get his 2007 salary today rather than in 16 installments, then the whole deal is just his agent putting a spin on it. I'm surprised Reiss bit.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    If Brady hadn't agreed to restructure so Moss could come aboard, it would have been a disgrace. How much credit do you get for avoiding disgrace?
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    I hope if there is extra cap space it is used on Asante.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    Other than showing a tangible and complete endorsing of the FO move to not only the public, but most importantly your teammates, you mean, RIGHT???

    It don't mean squat money wise I understand, but It speaks volumes to the other leaders of the team or any fencesitters out there, and lets them know in a clear non-verbal way - "As your Caption, I say lets give this a whirl".

    Anybody can stand at a podium and say "yeah, I think this is a good move for the team" (in fact everybody expects that), but it's altogether another for the field general to take pen to paper and dinker around with contract numbers.

    At least that's my take. My first thought was not "gee, what a magnanimous gesture", it was "Damn, I guess Tom's on board with this, huh". :rocker:
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    I bet we move someone else's contract forward now...Next years looking a little tight. Without Asante, we were only 13 mil under the cap, thats now down to 9-10 and with 39 players accounted for. That leaves 10 for 14 players and the rooks. (an no Moss)

    prediction...Kelly Washington is gone. No way we take a 5.7M hit for him.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    Not knocking Brady but who wouldn't say YES to their employer giving them more $ RIGHT NOW, especially GUARANTEED dollars that previously were not guaranteed. This is a win-win situation but I can't conceive of a normal situation where a player would 'refuse' the restructure.

    The topic is much ado about the sun rising in the East.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    The timing of a guaranteed sum isn't necessarily neutral. By delaying a guaranteed fixed sum, not only does the real value of the amount decline by more (since it is subject to a longer period of inflation - i.e. it has less purchasing power in the future rather than now) but relatedly, it negates the ability for it to be invested in some way to gain a higher return, or to be spent now in accordance with Brady's preferences.

    The elimination of risk is obviously a counter effect, but this is a very small effect in Brady's case - he's very unlikely to be going anywhere after all.

    It's not necessarily significant, but being flexible in this way isn't necessarily neutral either. Of course, in converting future money into current signing bonus Brady actually does better than he would of done otherwise - so it's a win win win.
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    Ok If you look at the Future hits from Miguel's page, you'll see that he includes Stallworth AND Washington. Those two account for 12 million. I agree with you that Washington probably won't be back. But neither will Moss. That will free up 5.7 million as you say. However, Stallworth may not be back either, freeing up another 6.3 million.

    Colvin will either be given an extension or will be given his walking papers, and that Frees up another 7.3 million.

    And that is all without the rookies OR Samuel included.

    Next year's cap isn't looking so hot right now.....
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    If we do something with Colvin, I bet we could get Moss for a hit of 3-5, and keep Stallworth. (assuming Washington is gone). That would leave room for Asante and some 2nd tier FA's....
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in


    LOL, I think you are really reaching here. I suppose you think that it could have gone more like this:

    (Brady is called into BB's office)
    BB: Hi Tom, we have a deal for Moss so we are going to go ahead and execute the restructure that we worked out in March in case we needed cap space.
    TB: No.
    BB: What?
    TB: I won't.
    BB: What are you talking about?
    TB: I don't like Randy Moss, he's a whiner.
    BB: Tom, our organization has spent over a year and a half researching and discussing this move. We have spent hundreds of man-hours interviewing Moss's former coaches, friends, neighbors, and teammates. I have broken down every one of his plays over the past five seasons, including preseason. Ernie has performed a quantitative analysis of how his skills will fit within and require changes in our offense. We have done as thorough a job as can be done and we have decided to make this move. If you don't want to restructure we'll just find someone else that will or we'll cut some players to fit him in. Now, what on god's green earth are you talking about?!?
    TB: (Drops pants, moons BB, and screams) Bunghole!!!!! (Runs out of office.)

    But hey, if you want to give Tom credit for not interfering with the decisions of management, go right ahead!
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    I know what you were trying to say, but still this had me :rofl:
     
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    Re: Brady deserves a tip of the cap..He altered contract so Moss can fit in

    or like this

    (Brady is called into BB's office)
    BB: Hi Tom, we have a deal for Moss so we are going to go ahead and execute the restructure that we worked out in March in case we needed cap space.
    TB: Dude, do you have any idea how much child support I'll be paying next year, I ain't restructuring jack.
    BB: What?
    TB: Look, your budget constraints ain't my f-ing problem. I almost overcame those clowns you gave me to work with last year and took us to the SB. You've already upgraded I'm cool with the changes and I will get it done regardless. I never needed Moss to win before, and I don't need him now. piss up a rope, he's a d~ck, and I don't need him.
    BB: Tom, our organization has spent over a year and a half researching and discussing this move. We have spent hundreds of man-hours interviewing Moss's former coaches, friends, neighbors, and teammates. I have broken down every one of his plays over the past five seasons, including preseason. Ernie has performed a quantitative analysis of how his skills will fit within and require changes in our offense. We have done as thorough a job as can be done and we have decided to make this move. If you don't want to restructure we'll just find someone else that will or we'll cut some players to fit him in. Now, what on god's green earth are you talking about?!?
    TB: {yaaaaaawn}, look, Billy..... whatever dude, I'll win with whoever you go with. {pause}... Ummm, are we like done here. Gizzy's getting lonely and I ain't banged her in {looks at watch} like and hour and a half :rocker:

    Hahahaha it does sound kinda gay huh. I meant metaphorically in the goodship "U.S.S. Patriot" sort a way, not in the "rah, rah, sis boom, bah" way :cool:
     
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