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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.You cannot compare Burgess. He has not played linebacker for the team yet. It's really pretty simple.
As for the 4-3, clearly BB is using it. Whether or not it will be 'the base' is still open to question.
Two eyes, ability to watch games multiple times and the ability to analyze what I'm seeing. Hobbs would still be the best CB on the team (Springs not evaluated due to his not playing) going into the regular season.
Wow, ****y AND bizarrely off-track. But, then, you also seem to be under the impression that Bruschi and Vrabel, both of whom I LOVE, played well last year.
On the other hand there is no one we can put on the field who would not be better than Deltha ONeal.
Two eyes, ability to watch games multiple times and the ability to analyze what I'm seeing. Hobbs would still be the best CB on the team (Springs not evaluated due to his not playing) going into the regular season.
First, that's obviously untrue. Mr. Love serves as living proof of that. Second, we don't know what we've got in Bodden as of right now.
Burgess is not going to play LB, at least not much,
That doesnt change the fact that on half of the plays he will be in Vrabels spot as a nickel/dime DE. What do you want to do, compare half the plays and ignore the other half?
How is it clear that we are using a 4-3? We use a 4-3 every preseason. Then in the season we use it sparingly.
You are comparing the LBs by leaving out one of the 4. Isnt that saying it IS the base?
I'm not sure why you are taking the approach of comparing 4 LBs to 3 and ignoring the fact that different players will play in sub packages this year when the starters played in all situations last year.
I meant of the corners that will make the team of course.
We've seen some of Bodden, and its not too early to tell he is an improvement over ONeal, not that the bar is very high there.
How is it clear that we are using a 4-3? We use a 4-3 every preseason
It's my opinion, and that's how I formed it. You asked why I felt that way, and I explained it. It was neither ****y nor off-track. You stated your disagreement, so I don't see your issue.
As for Bruschi and Vrabel, they played fine last season given the circumstances. Vrabel was injured, and I don't ignore that the way so many here seem to be doing. In comparing the two defenses, the overall issue isn't a matter of "which year weathered injuries and bad circumstances to do the best job?", because we don't know how this year will come out.
Eesh. That's a scary thought.
Really, though. The secondary worse than last year?
Last year's players, now gone: Ellis Hobbs, Deltha O'Neal, Lewis Sanders, Antwain Spann, Mike Richardson.
This year's new additions: Shawn Springs, Leigh Bodden, Darius Butler, Brandon McGowan, Pat Chung.
Bodden may or may not be as good as Hobbs. Hopefullly he's better. I can't imagine Springs being as bad as O'Neal. Butler, McGowan, and Chung couldn't be worse than the other three if they played blindfolded.
How is it clear? Because the Pats have more talent among the D-line, not LB. In fact, Burgess will hardly see time at LB. He's going to do what he does best and that is get after the QB on passing situations. Even had Bruschi stayed with the team, the Pats clearly don't have what it takes at LB to run a 3-4. They have Thomas and Mayo and nobody else. Guyton is more of a weak side OLB in a 4-3 and Woods is more of a OLB in a 3-4. If the Pats continue to run a 3-4, it's their death wish.
I dont think anyone is ignoring Vrabel being injured, but to compare his contribution to the team to his replacement this year, you have to look at how he played, not why. I absolutely loved Vrabel and felt he was very underated. But the level he played at last year was well below his established level. When comparing last year to this year, its his play last year, not his ability, play other years, or injury situation we are comparing to.
For the defense to improve at his position from last year to this year his replacement has to play better than an injured Vrabel, not a healthy one.
As for Bruschi and Vrabel, they played fine last season given the circumstances. Vrabel was injured, and I don't ignore that the way so many here seem to be doing. In comparing the two defenses, the overall issue isn't a matter of "which year weathered injuries and bad circumstances to do the best job?", because we don't know how this year will come out.
Wait.... I noted that the 'base' last year was a 3-4 and, therefore, used 4 linebackers and 3 D-linemen for my analysis, while going with the 4-3 this year because of what we've seen and heard to date. You told me that was unfair, but now you want to start tossing in subgroups?
Come on, Andy.
Burgess is going to rush the passer. In nickel and dime.
Our LBs wil be Thomas-Mayo-Guyton-Woods for the 50% of the plays that we run out of the base.
How are we going to play a 43 with no 43 DEs?
Sure it is. Bodden did not get it done in Detroit all last year. Nothing I've seen from him in the preseason has made me positive that he's any better than that.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. The question wasn't "which team will weather injuries better?.