"Absolute Terrific Pick"

[Joker]

So true but the later selections still confuse me. Then again, I'm ignorant of college talent.

that's not what your ex-wife said at the divorce hearing...:bricks:

 

[TheSolderKing]

5-6 year deal w/ DRUG clause that protect us,

 

[Gwedd]

I've been looking at this pick from a number of angles and, honestly, I can see no downside to it at all.

3rd-round pick means a rookie contract with easy numbers to manage. He's got all the talent in place, though maybe a bit rough around the edges.

Character issues? perhaps. Everyone also said that about Dillon & Moss.

He's got time to mature, and in the professional team atmosphere that is the Patriots locker room, he'll be surrounded by guys who will be more than happy to show him the way to straiten up and fly right.

This is like a VERY good pick and I'm very happy to see it made.

 

[Synovia]

yeah i heard that situation stuff before when bledsoe and bishop were on the team ... the pick is fine, i just dont think it needed to be adressed then...

You don't draft based only on need, you draft based on need, talent available, and cost/value.


Its pretty probable that the Patriots wouldn't be able to get a prospect as good as Mallet for anything less than a low 1st, high 2nd most years.

This is one of those spots where you say damn the need and you go with the value pick.

 

[Synovia]

This board had a 1000 posts *****ing and complaining about how poorly Brady played vs the Jets. While I agree that he didn't have his best game, Brady was not the reason for the loss. The reasons were defense and the NYJ defense focusing on containing the Pat's short passing game 10-20 yds- which they did successfully for most of the game.t.

The defense that gave up 194 yards passing? That one?


We lost that game because the Jets defense was better than the Pats offense that day. It had nothing to do with the Pats defense.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I'm surprised nobody has seen this yet.

The Pats draft a #1 QB at a high value position for which there may, or may not be, a need, immediate or not.

Contrast this with a team, the Arizona Cardinals, who have a real and immediate need for a QB, preferably top-flight, but even one who can get the job done in whatever way possible, did NOT select a QB in the first 3 rounds.

Now, there has been a lot of talk on this board, as well as other venues, about New England acquiring a certain WR on that very Arizona team.

I'm not saying that this is what will come to pass, in whatever form, or even that there is something afoot here.

No.

But I will say the conjecture is plausible, and very interesting to contemplate.

The last word on this draft has yet to be written (say, maybe 3, 4 years into the future!), and every draft, and draft pick, is as much an art as a science.

The point is, whether Mallett stays or goes, the Pats will get value from him that likely will exceed the price they paid acquiring him where they did in this draft.

It was a good pick.

It's a thought, trade Brady to Zona for Fitz and a 2012 first. Let the Hoyer era begin!

 

[Synovia]

5-6 year deal w/ DRUG clause that protect us,

You can't give a 5 year deal to a 3rd rounder.


There's no reason for any clauses. He's getting a deal thats going to give him like 400K a year. There's no risk here.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The defense that gave up 194 yards passing? That one?


We lost that game because the Jets defense was better than the Pats offense that day. It had nothing to do with the Pats defense.

Yep the same one that allowed 28 points and 14 in the 4th qtr, 7.8 ypc, 46% 3rd downs, 3 passing TDs and 29 carries for a 4.1 average.

In my earlier posts I stated that a good/great defense makes the stops when it has to. The defense that day did nothing of the sort.

 

[Synovia]

Yep the same one that allowed 28 points and 14 in the 4th qtr, 7.8 ypc, 46% 3rd downs, 3 passing TDs and 29 carries for a 4.1 average.

In my earlier posts I stated that a good/great defense makes the stops when it has to. The defense that day did nothing of the sort.

If your offense keeps turning over the ball, the defense is going to give up points, no matter how good it is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If your offense keeps turning over the ball, the defense is going to give up points, no matter how good it is.

One INT and zero lost fumbles resulted in 0 points for the Jets.

 

[hwc]

Do we have to keep re-playing the Jets game over and over? A lot of us would just as soon turn the page and move on. We all saw it. We don't need to keep dissecting and analyzing it.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Yep the same one that allowed 28 points and 14 in the 4th qtr, 7.8 ypc, 46% 3rd downs, 3 passing TDs and 29 carries for a 4.1 average.

In my earlier posts I stated that a good/great defense makes the stops when it has to. The defense that day did nothing of the sort.

Tell me Genius,

Exactly how many of V Wilfork, T Warren, G Warren, M Wright, B Deaderick, M Pryor and K Love were available to play and shut down the run that day?? Hmmn?

Did you like the play of defensive lineman, K Arrington, all 5-10 and 195 #s of him?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Tell me Genius,

Exactly how many of V Wilfork, T Warren, G Warren, M Wright, B Deaderick, M Pryor and K Love were available to play and shut down the run that day?? Hmmn?

Did you like the play of defensive lineman, K Arrington, all 5-10 and 195 #s of him?

Why be a condescending jerk?

Last years defense was not good enough. Case closed.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

This board had a 1000 posts *****ing and complaining about how poorly Brady played vs the Jets. While I agree that he didn't have his best game, Brady was not the reason for the loss. The reasons were defense and the NYJ defense focusing on containing the Pat's short passing game 10-20 yds- which they did successfully for most of the game.

The only ways I know how to change a team's defensive approach is to be successful in other areas that demand respect. The fact of the matter is that teams do not respect the Pat's running game. Period. The only way team's respect the running game is establishing it and being successful in every situation that calls for it (3rd and 1, 2nd and 3, 1st and 10, goal line, etc).

Super Bowls are won by executing when you need to execute. If you need to pass it to win- you do it. When you need to run- you do it. When you need to play defense- you do it. With the exception of G and C, with these picks the offense, IMO is now covered.

I'm still very concerned about the quality of the front 7 (run D and pass rush) but as long as the passing game stays close to the level it was last year and with a more talented group of runners teams will respect the running game and play it honestly which will only help Brady when it matters most.

The defense that gave up 194 yards passing? That one?


We lost that game because the Jets defense was better than the Pats offense that day. It had nothing to do with the Pats defense.

Yep the same one that allowed 28 points and 14 in the 4th qtr, 7.8 ypc, 46% 3rd downs, 3 passing TDs and 29 carries for a 4.1 average.

In my earlier posts I stated that a good/great defense makes the stops when it has to. The defense that day did nothing of the sort.

That loss was on the offense...... once BJGE and Woody got contained..... we could do nothing...... which put a two-young, injury plagued defense on the field for too long.

Had we been able to extend drives, been a little more balanced....... Brady might not have had to have been perfect, and we could have one..... That is what is being address.

1-2 FA's that are quality starters, another year of experience, and some health will allow us to REALLY see what we have with this defense. We don't know yet, but Bill seems content with it. What this defense needs cannot be address by the draft alone...... It needs experience and to be healthy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That loss was on the offense...... once BJGE and Woody got contained..... we could do nothing...... which put a two-young, injury plagued defense on the field for too long.

Had we been able to extend drives, been a little more balanced....... Brady might not have had to have been perfect, and we could have one..... That is what is being address.

1-2 FA's that are quality starters, another year of experience, and some health will allow us to REALLY see what we have with this defense. We don't know yet, but Bill seems content with it. What this defense needs cannot be address by the draft alone...... It needs experience and to be healthy.

You just agreed with me. If TB needs to be perfect, then it is on the defense- one that allowed 28 points at home during a playoff game. That is unacceptable.

The 2010 Pats did not have a Super Bowl defense and I highly doubt BB is content with it as he signed a veteran DL and burned a 2nd rd pick on a CB.

 

[IllegalContact]

yeah i heard that situation stuff before when bledsoe and bishop were on the team ... the pick is fine, i just dont think it needed to be adressed then...

just like the QB situation did not need to be addressed when brady was drafted. having a starting caliber QB's as a backup is a luxury most teams can't afford.....if you can get one making the $$$ of a 3rd rounder, then it is a steal.

if they could turn matt cassel into a 2nd rounder, then bring another one onboard.....it was obvious that hoyer would never bring that in.

as another note, mallett can make throws that even brady can't make.......he is referred to as a human JUGS machine....now harness that into someone who can see the field, your future of contending just got longer

 

[stcjones]

There's a lot of IF's in that equation... for now just look at Mallet as what he is - a tremendous opportunity to turn a 2011 3rd round pick into something as high as a 1st round pick in a later year.

Eveyrone knows Mallet has the physical attributes and skills of a 1st round draft choice. The only reason he dropped to the third was because of character issues. All he has to do is change his attitude and be a team player and you'll have other GMs suddenly VERY interested in giving up a 2nd round pick or better for him.

If he straightens up and flies right and does a decent job in pre-season and trash time he's a VERY valuable commodity. When or if he does that, THEN you can begin considering him as Tom Brady's successor.

ding ding ding....we have a winner....great post

 

[stcjones]

I really don't understand the criticism of the Mallett selection.

This guy was the #1 rated QB on the Pats board and they got him with pick 74. This is in a draft which saw QB's taken at spots 1, 8, 10, 12, 35 and 36.

If you are critical of this pick then you are saying the Pats draft board is wrong!

Agree with you here....how can you argue with this pick??? BEST QB in the draft and it fell to them at #74? Now they can either trade him for a first rounder before season even begins (if the season begins of course) OR work with him for the next year or so and either trade him.....or get him ready to be the franchise QB.....either way they scored majorly....

 

[IllegalContact]

by the way.......while he needs some work between the ears, he's a natural

play action fake:
YouTube - Ryan Mallett Play Action Fake Touchdown Throw 11-21-09

there's something groganesque to the way he can make the throw just before getting planted....note how far the ball goes with so little air under it
YouTube - Ryan Mallet Amazing Touchdown Pass

combine interview.......the only thing I can take from this one is that he comes off as someone who has a hart time shutting up sometimes, but no issues with his demeanor or intellect or sincerity about playing football or being a teammate....a little humilty will will do absolute wonders for him
YouTube - Ryan Mallett NFL Combine Interview 2011

he had a rough ending, but he has all of the tools.....just needs to learn a little control.....again, pretty groganesque
YouTube - 2010 Alabama vs. Arkansas Highlights

 

[MoLewisrocks]

My only concern is the off-the-field stuff that I hear. I'm certain that there is some truth to it, but I'm just as certain that there is some falseness as well.

One thing is clear- there is no denying that the kid has major physical skills, wins and puts the numbers on the board.

Is DE/DT/OLB more of a need? Or course and I wish it was adressed with a major talent. However, when 1st round talent slips to the 3rd round and your franchise QB is going to be 34 next year, you need to start thinking about an heir-apparent at some point.

He is hoping that the front-7 plays better than last year.

My .02$

Some scouts question how he puts those wins on the board. Seems to come naturally to most QB's in Petrino's system...

This kid is tall and he has a rocket arm. He's also an inconsistent decision maker with accuracy issues who often sails passes due in part to some problematic mechanics particularly when it comes to footwork. He doesn't reset well and requires time and opportunity to make his reads that often isn't available at this level.

KOC carried a first round grade on some draft boards two years ago... And JAWS loved him, too.