The more time that goes on, the more I have trouble rooting for Kraft

sb1 said:

I know this guy isn't exactly a credible source but hopefully there's a whistle of truth to this. I don't care if there's a 0% chance that they would win such a fight... even the gesture would would go a long way to fix the damage that Kraft did last May.

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sounds great, but I will believe it when I see it

success was the only crime.......which is why the league front office is dredged in baseless garbage

the pats got screwed.....which was the only goal all along

OhExaulted1 said:

So you believe Chamberlain coud have stopped WWII from happening? Revisionist history with a very warped veiwpont. Just as in this pathetic analogy with him and Kraft.

Did you know Chamberlain remained a key member of Churchills staff and was the one who actually declared war on Germany?

Nevermind, history is obviously not your strong suit.

If you need to resort to drooling idiot, 4 year old and short bus insults to back up your arguments that says more about you then it does me.

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John Wallace thinks his writing style means something.......though he does have a following here

OhExaulted1 said:

Imagine if Kraft does take the LO office to task after Mar. 3. Kraft haters in this thread will have a whole bunch of egg on their faces.

That would be delicious.

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As long as we're playing make-believe, If Kraft does indeed fight back, wouldn't that mean the "haters" would have been justified in calling him out up to this point, and your defense of him with his complete and total inability to do anything about it was wrong?

IllegalContact said:

sounds great, but I will believe it when I see it

success was the only crime.......which is why the league front office is dredged in baseless garbage

the pats got screwed.....which was the only goal all along

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So by all means do nothing and accept it then. Solid value system you got there.

Armchair Quarterback said:

As long as we're playing make-believe, If Kraft does indeed fight back, wouldn't that mean the "haters" would have been justified in calling him out up to this point, and your defense of him and his complete and total inability to do anything about it was wrong?

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good point

but no.......the haters would have been completely wrong about him.......and people like myself who still believe kraft is the best owner in the nfl would be vindicated

but I would not bet on getting the draft picks back

Armchair Quarterback said:

So by all means do nothing and accept it then. Solid value system you got there.

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not really........fact is kraft did what he did and there's absolutely no f*cking point railing about it now........this **** has been going on for months......really, if I felt that wronged, I would have picked another team or dropped the sport altogether

endless venting for absolutely nothing.......it's like arguing with the cable company

cuz this means you have values

IllegalContact said:

not really........fact is kraft did what he did and there's absolutely no f*cking point railing about it now........this **** has been going on for months......really, if I felt that wronged, I would have picked another team or dropped the sport altogether

endless venting for absolutely nothing.......it's like arguing with the cable company

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Eh, it's a messageboard, it's the offseason and the draft is coming up. It's a worthwhile topic. Fans have every right to hold Kraft accountable. You have every right to think he's the best owner. The Pro Kraft side can't seem to accept the other point of view though.

Armchair Quarterback said:

Eh, it's a messageboard, it's the offseason and the draft is coming up. It's a worthwhile topic. Fans have every right to hold Kraft accountable. You have every right to think he's the best owner. The Pro Kraft side can't seem to accept the other point of view though.

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in other words, your comment about values was meaningless

the anti-kraft crowd can't move on with life and will still be here complaining in 6 months

OhExaulted1 said:

So you believe Chamberlain coud have stopped WWII from happening? Revisionist history with a very warped veiwpont. Just as in this pathetic analogy with him and Kraft.

Did you know Chamberlain remained a key member of Churchills staff and was the one who actually declared war on Germany?

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Your persistently consistent inability to process even the most explicitly explained English without getting their meanings distorted is terrifying, in a way ~ do you drive?? ~ but very amusing.

Beyond that, you warrant no further response.

"OhExaulted1", Ladies and Gentlemen.

IllegalContact said:

in other words, your comment about values was meaningless

the anti-kraft crowd can't move on with life and will still be here complaining in 6 months

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You having a right to your opinion and you thinking it's OK to accept people conspiring against you are two wildly different things.

IllegalContact said:

LOL........Queeg

boo-hoo.......I don't like the owner because he didn't make pointless noise to make me happy

my argument is not paranoid at all.......it is rational......yours is not

since he obviously doesn't give a crap what the public like you thinks, you should change teams because this owner isn't going anywhere

stay miserable, my friend...........I've moved on

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AndyJohnson said:

Is there a rule that you have to be a douche when you have a discussion with anyone?

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Yeah...pretty much!!

OhExaulted1 said:

So you believe Chamberlain coud have stopped WWII from happening? Revisionist history with a very warped veiwpont. Just as in this pathetic analogy with him and Kraft. Did you know Chamberlain remained a key member of Churchills staff and was the one who actually declared war on Germany?

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IllegalContact said:

John Wallace thinks his writing style means something.......though he does have a following here

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Hah!! Nothing was more predictable that you two geniuses clinging to each other in Anger & Fear!!

Off The Grid said:

Hah!! Nothing was more predictable that you two geniuses clinging to each other in Anger & Fear!!

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Phobos & Deimos! Well, not quite.

Off The Grid said:

Hah!! Nothing was more predictable that you two geniuses clinging to each other in Anger & Fear!!

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You are more predictable ..... Same crap repackaged a million different ways but still the same crap

PatsWickedPissah said:

Phobos & Deimos! Well, not quite.

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Another part of the daisy chain chimes in

Off The Grid said:

Yeah...pretty much!!

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Only with the daisy chain

Angry group think foaming full force

I'm going to have to rethink my position on this, I'm in agreement with IC. Never a good sign.

Kraft is douche. Yeah Tom, boo Krafty. Don't buy anything at Patriots place. Never eat one of
Davio's Northern Italian Steakhouse's delicious steaks.



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IllegalContact said:

Only with the daisy chain

Angry group think foaming full force

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It's ironic that you'd call this group think when the entire Deflategate incident was the result of media brainwashing via headlines, propaganda, and pseudoscience, while we watched a bunch of uninformed, misguided fools shape the opinions of millions upon millions of interested viewers, many of whom have zero motivation to ever read as deeply as those who care enough to.

There were so few people in positions to be the contrarian and exert influence over the train off the tracks story, to be the voice of reason and the voice of injured fans.

Bob Kraft was one of those very few.

To think that because he "couldn't win" so shouldn't bother is so incredibly ironic and unfortunate, since the NFL has from day one made their goal to shape public opinion, regardless of facts and outcomes.

As if no other owner has chosen the interests of his or her own team over placating the majority of other owners. And as if no one can ever win a battle of public opinion if they are unlikely to win in court, where there is a much higher burden of proof and other obstacles to overcome. The actual injustice is not that difficult to prove or shed light on.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

It's ironic that you'd call this group think when the entire Deflategate incident was the result of media brainwashing via headlines, propaganda, and pseudoscience, while we watched a bunch of uninformed, misguided fools shape the opinions of millions upon millions of interested viewers, many of whom have zero motivation to ever read as deeply as those who care enough to.

There were so few people in positions to be the contrarian and exert influence over the train off the tracks story, to be the voice of reason and the voice of injured fans.

Bob Kraft was one of those very few.

To think that because he "couldn't win" so shouldn't bother is so incredibly ironic and unfortunate, since the NFL has from day one made their goal to shape public opinion, regardless of facts and outcomes.

As if no other owner has chosen the interests of his or her own team over placating the majority of other owners. And as if no one can ever win a battle of public opinion if they are unlikely to win in court, where there is a much higher burden of proof and other obstacles to overcome. The actual injustice is not that difficult to prove or shed light on.

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Heartwarming....really

So let this crap occupy your emotions......I've known the Pats have been getting railroaded for a long time, but I'm over it.....There is absolutely no point to keep bashing Kraft unless it makes you feel better and if that's the case, you need to get a life

IllegalContact said:

everybody's a tough guy with what they would do from behind a keyboard

the picks are gone.....the only fact that matters

so I don't have to watch day 1....big deal......they guys they are getting at the end of round 2 show up as much as the ones at the end of round 1

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True that. Same guys that think they would have been a better and more successful owner over the last 21 years. Laughable.