Cheerleaders are ruled to be employees

Galeb said:

I'm no law expert, but I'm pretty sure the Musketeers don't fall under the law's definition of employees. If they do, they should sue for back pay, but I sincerely doubt they fall under that definition. I look forward to your accusation that I didn't answer your question.

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But... but... oh the humanity! Those poor musketeers are being extorted!! They need a big bad brave buttinsky like you to step up and tell them that they are forbidden from volunteering their time to do something they enjoy doing because it benefits a business!!

XLIX said:

But... but... oh the humanity! Those poor musketeers are being extorted!! They need a big bad brave buttinsky like you to step up and tell them that they are forbidden from volunteering their time to do something they enjoy doing because it benefits a business!!

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When did I ever imply that the Muskateers are exploited? I only spoke of the cheerleaders. I think the Muskateers have a good gig.

If cheerleaders are now seen as team employees will the Steelers have to start paying for Jim Nantz's health plan?

Galeb said:

When did I ever imply that the Muskateers are exploited? I only spoke of the cheerleaders. I think the Muskateers have a good gig.

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As do the cheerleaders, and that's what a smart NFL team would do. They would make the Cheerleader squad an all-volunteer squad, much like the musketeers.

They'll still have hundreds of girls lining up to try out, and then the team gets to do whatever the heck they want because the cheerleaders are volunteers - at least until buttinskies like you intent on controlling other people get involve. Fortunately we live in a free country where you have no say in the lawful business dealings of other people.

XLIX said:

As do the cheerleaders, and that's what a smart NFL team would do. They would make the Cheerleader squad an all-volunteer squad, much like the musketeers.

They'll still have hundreds of girls lining up to try out, and then the team gets to do whatever the heck they want because the cheerleaders are volunteers - at least until buttinskies like you intent on controlling other people get involve. Fortunately we live in a free country where you have no say in the lawful business dealings of other people.

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Your interpretation of what I wrote is extremely inaccurate. I mocked at your idea that CORPORATIONS should be able to exploit people just because there is demand for a job that clearly falls under the law's definition of an employee. Nowhere did I say anything in regards to what PEOPLE should be allowed to do. On the bright side, at least you aren't accusing me of not answering the question.

XLIX said:

Have you ever heard of unpaid internships? As mentioned above, the Patriot musketeers are unpaid volunteers. Do you think they are being extorted? Should they sue for backpay?

I've noticed you have a tendency to try and tell other people how to live their lives, and what sort of lawful agreements they may and may not enter into involving things that don't concern you in the slightest. You really should stop butting into other peoples' business.

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lmaooooo if your justification is unpaid internships

Deus Irae said:

Cheerleaders are accepted at all level of sports. I called them anachronistic at the NFL level because of all the other diversions at the park trending towards special events and electronics, not because a few idiots might cry about sexism.

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That's also true, but it is still a sexist practice. There's considerably stronger headwinds against sexist practices now than 20 or 30 yrs ago. It's a headwind that will continue to strengthen as time passes.

XLIX said:

As do the cheerleaders, and that's what a smart NFL team would do. They would make the Cheerleader squad an all-volunteer squad, much like the musketeers.

They'll still have hundreds of girls lining up to try out, and then the team gets to do whatever the heck they want because the cheerleaders are volunteers - at least until buttinskies like you intent on controlling other people get involve. Fortunately we live in a free country where you have no say in the lawful business dealings of other people.

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The cheerleaders were volunteer squads, sued the teams, and were recognized as employees. Damn those courts, those awful buttinskies!

The musketeers may fall under this ruling, by the way. There's no particularly difference between them and the cheerleaders, excepting gender.

Deus Irae said:

I don't recall anyone in this thread who's said that the cheerleaders getting paid better wages would be a bad thing. I can't speak for everyone, but my 'concern' is that cheap ass owners like those of the Bengals may just decide that scrap the cheerleaders. NFL sideline pom pom wavers are an anachronism at this point.

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I agree with you here. This is a possibility, but also not a particular concern.

primetime said:

The cheerleaders were volunteer squads, sued the teams, and were recognized as employees. Damn those courts, those awful buttinskies!

The musketeers may fall under this ruling, by the way. There's no particularly difference between them and the cheerleaders, excepting gender.

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I would imagine that the amount of work and requirements from the organization between the two is dramatically different. Musketeers might have a couple of meetings, then show up for 2 preseason and 8 regular season games. Cheerleaders work their asses off practicing and do all kinds of required community relations work and traveling for the team

XLIX said:

As do the cheerleaders, and that's what a smart NFL team would do. They would make the Cheerleader squad an all-volunteer squad, much like the musketeers.

They'll still have hundreds of girls lining up to try out, and then the team gets to do whatever the heck they want because the cheerleaders are volunteers - at least until buttinskies like you intent on controlling other people get involve. Fortunately we live in a free country where you have no say in the lawful business dealings of other people.

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So it was perfectly fine for the Patriots, and others, to break the existing labor laws? I'm not sure what argument you're making here? Galeb's opinion has no bearing on the case, it was ruled on based on the existing laws.

I believe the End Zone Militia also became employees before the start of the 2014 season.

Galeb said:

Your interpretation of what I wrote is extremely inaccurate. I mocked at your idea that CORPORATIONS

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Well then your post has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand since the Patriots are not a publicly held corporation.

Thank you for participating, but please remain on topic going forward.

XLIX said:

Well then your post has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand since the Patriots are not a publicly held corporation.

Thank you for participating, but please remain on topic going forward.

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Wasn't the case against the NFL? If it was the teams themselves instead, then substitute business for the word corporation. If it turns out that my vocabulary was correct, please feel free to correct my grammar and spelling.

primetime said:

The cheerleaders were volunteer squads, sued the teams, and were recognized as employees. Damn those courts, those awful buttinskies!

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You're entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Cheerleaders are not volunteers. They are hired as independent contractors (at least, that is the situation in this lawsuit.... I do not know for certain that every NFL team handles it the same way). Huge difference. As such, there are certain laws which must be adhered to, hence the basis of their lawsuit.

Furthermore and as such, a smart NFL team would say "OK you're not contractors and you're not employees. You're 100% volunteers and you get nothing by way of compensation. If you don't like, don't try out for the squad." They could say such a thing and still have hundreds of girls lined up for try-outs.

Galeb said:

Wasn't the case against the NFL? If it was the teams themselves instead, then substitute business for the word corporation. If it turns out that my vocabulary was correct, please feel free to correct my grammar and spelling.

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Newsflash: The NFL isn't a publicly held corporation either.

XLIX said:

Newsflash: The NFL isn't a publicly held corporation either.

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OK, I should have used the word business. Feel free to correct my grammar and spelling anyway.

Galeb said:

I would imagine that the amount of work and requirements from the organization between the two is dramatically different. Musketeers might have a couple of meetings, then show up for 2 preseason and 8 regular season games. Cheerleaders work their asses off practicing and do all kinds of required community relations work and traveling for the team

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And nobody is forcing them to do it. If an NFL team went all-volunteers, there would still be hundreds of girls lined up, despite all the obligations that go along with the position.

Galeb said:

OK, I should have used the word business. Feel free to correct my grammar and spelling anyway.

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Sorry to see you've gotten your panties in a bunch, but calling the Patriots or the NFL a publicly held corporation is ignorance, not a mere spelling mistake.

primetime said:

The cheerleaders were volunteer squads, sued the teams, and were recognized as employees. Damn those courts, those awful buttinskies!

The musketeers may fall under this ruling, by the way. There's no particularly difference between them and the cheerleaders, excepting gender.

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The musketeers won't fall, they are not independent contractors nor employees of Kraft Sports. They are 100% volunteers.(minus the $60 they get to cover gas price and gun powder$

Read this piece from 2010.

End Zone Militia knows how to fire up Patriots