Excellent Garoppolo article

Brady6 · Feb 22, 2015

Marinlik said:
It seems like Brady6 has gone back to his previous view where anyone replacing Brady has to be better than Brady in his prime, even if Brady logically will decline with age which means that his sucessor probably won't have to be better than prime Brady to be our best QB at some point.

I actually think that Garoppolo might replace Brady for us whem Bradys contract is up, but that doesn't mean that I think that he will be better than Brady ever was. Just that he might, at some point, be better for the future Patriots than a 40+ year old Brady is.

My views have been consistent throughout, Garoppolo is not under contract past Brady’s current deal, Brady just won his 4th SB and had his best season since 2010 at age 37. So in the next 3 seasons do you really see any point at which Brady has declined enough that Garoppolo is a better QB than him? I do not.

So the question remains, are you extending Garoppolo? How exactly is him replacing Brady going to transpire?

Do you respect Bill O’Brien as an NFL coach and QB coach?

shmessy · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
Read the OP the again.

Unlike you, I wouldn't want to put words in Tunie's mouth, but knowing him, I'd be shocked if he didn't mean that Garropolo SOUNDS like Brady 2.0 in his work ethic and psyche. I'm pretty sure he didn't make the actual performance jump that you did on that.

What I semi-realistically hope for is that:

1) Brady plays at a high level for 3-4 years and wins one or two more SB's thus laying to rest forever (now that there is a salary cap era and free agency environment in place) the GOAT debate.

2) that the Patriots have in place a top flight replacement for Brady when necessary and do not slip from being a top contender. That decision should be made for the T-E-A-M.

3) If Garropolo is the one to be that replacement, here's hoping that if #1 comes true, that he is extended after his third year for continuity.

Now, I realize that there ARE some people here who only focus on Brady and don't really care what happens to the New England Patriots if he is not in there. But the vast majority root for the team.

Tunescribe · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
Read the OP the again.

Don't be an ignoramus, read it again yourself. My post says: "Sounds like Tom Brady 2.0." The reference is to Garoppolo mirroring Brady's work habits, attitude and overall approach to the game.

ctpatsfan77 · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
My views have been consistent throughout, Garoppolo is not under contract past Brady’s current deal, Brady just won his 4th SB and had his best season since 2010 at age 37. So in the next 3 seasons do you really see any point at which Brady has declined enough that Garoppolo is a better QB than him? I do not.

So the question remains, are you extending Garoppolo? How exactly is him replacing Brady going to transpire?

Do you respect Bill O’Brien as an NFL coach and QB coach?

That's not really the question. The question—which is unanswerable at the moment—is:

Given their knowledge of and expectations for Brady and Garoppolo, which one (if either) makes more sense for the Patriots in 2018 and beyond?

The Patriots don't need to answer this question until sometime in 2017, and, unless someone forces their hand, I don't think they're even going to try to answer it before then.

Mike the Brit · Feb 22, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
That's not really the question. The question—which is unanswerable at the moment—is:

Given their knowledge of and expectations for Brady and Garoppolo, which one (if either) makes more sense for the Patriots in 2018 and beyond?

The Patriots don't need to answer this question until sometime in 2017, and, unless someone forces their hand, I don't think they're even going to try to answer it before then.

The bit of the Bill Walsh handbook that I think the Patriots are going to be copying from now on is "Always look for quarterbacks". It's by far the most important position. It's also the hardest to project from college (and even from NFL backup). And it's not the Patriot Way to let players get too comfortable.

So I wouldn't be surprised to see more quarterbacks coming in in the next couple of years -- even ones for quite high draft picks -- and when TB finally calls it a day it won't just be a matter of Garoppolo stepping into a chair that's been kept warm for him.

Patsfanin Philly · Feb 22, 2015

Wheelman said:
I thought BB called him in the office and they had a discussion and then he called it a career.

Re Bruschi
That's exactly what I meant in that he may need someone to point it out to him but he'll realize that "it is time"..........(hopefully not for many years )

Brady6 · Feb 22, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Don't be an ignoramus, read it again yourself. My post says: "Sounds like Tom Brady 2.0." The reference is to Garoppolo mirroring Brady's work habits, attitude and overall approach to the game.

Ryan Mallett even styled his hair like Brady after within his first season. This is the norm. The Brady being aligned with Garoppolo started with your OP and grew with others adding more ridiculous assertions.

If you want to talk about ignorance, I don't think people realize how disrespectful and unappreciative it is to Brady to use his name in any type of comparison with a player who has never even started an NFL game. Fans should appreciate what Brady has done for this franchise, not post about him not being the best QB for the team and therefore the franchise will show him the door.. It's like comparing your 45 year old wife who had stood by you through it all, sacrificed for you and made your life better to a college girl. The college girl might look appealing but the reality is you know very little about her. People need to take a major step back with Garoppolo because if he was such a promising prospect that within 4 years of being drafted the Patriots will be cutting the GOAT and starting him I sincerely doubt Bill O'Brien would have taken an OG 33rd overall instead of the next Steve Young. I personally respect O'Brien and think he is as knowledgeable about QBs as anyone in the NFL including Belichick.

Brady6 · Feb 22, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
That's not really the question. The question—which is unanswerable at the moment—is:

Given their knowledge of and expectations for Brady and Garoppolo, which one (if either) makes more sense for the Patriots in 2018 and beyond?

The Patriots don't need to answer this question until sometime in 2017, and, unless someone forces their hand, I don't think they're even going to try to answer it before then.

You are overlooking the fact that Garoppolo is not under contract in 2018. So are you extending a QB who has never started an NFL game based on practice and preseason performances?

ctpatsfan77 · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
You are overlooking the fact that Garoppolo is not under contract in 2018. So are you extending a QB who has never started an NFL game based on practice and preseason performances?

If you take that logic to its extreme, the Patriots should never draft anyone.

And, no, I'm not overlooking that fact. But let me ask you a simple question: if in the 2017 season the Patriots believe* that Brady only has one or two years left, while Garoppolo could be their starter for over a decade, what would you recommend they do?

*No, I'm not saying the Patriots do/will believe that, merely that it's a reasonable possibility.

Brady6 · Feb 22, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
If you take that logic to its extreme, the Patriots should never draft anyone.

And, no, I'm not overlooking that fact. But let me ask you a simple question: if in the 2017 season the Patriots believe* that Brady only has one or two years left, while Garoppolo could be their starter for over a decade, what would you recommend they do?

*No, I'm not saying the Patriots do/will believe that, merely that it's a reasonable possibility.

I'm keeping the GOAT. I'm not ****ting on that legacy even if it means the team isn't as competitive in the SB race for 1-2 seasons. There are very few Tom Brady's, fans of this team are ignorant to the reality of the NFL and think that life after Brady is going to be similar, the likelihood is that it won't so I'm in no hurry to see the end of the Brady era, and I'm certainly not going to talk about accelerating the end of him in a Patriots uniform because Garoppolo did well in his first preseason game. Tyms looked like Julio Jones in that same game how did that carryover during the regular season?

Marinlik · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
Ryan Mallett even styled his hair like Brady after within his first season. This is the norm. The Brady being aligned with Garoppolo started with your OP and grew with others adding more ridiculous assertions.

If you want to talk about ignorance, I don't think people realize how disrespectful and unappreciative it is to Brady to use his name in any type of comparison with a player who has never even started an NFL game. Fans should appreciate what Brady has done for this franchise, not post about him not being the best QB for the team and therefore the franchise will show him the door.. It's like comparing your 45 year old wife who had stood by you through it all, sacrificed for you and made your life better to a college girl. The college girl might look appealing but the reality is you know very little about her. People need to take a major step back with Garoppolo because if he was such a promising prospect that within 4 years of being drafted the Patriots will be cutting the GOAT and starting him I sincerely doubt Bill O'Brien would have taken an OG 33rd overall instead of the next Steve Young. I personally respect O'Brien and think he is as knowledgeable about QBs as anyone in the NFL including Belichick.

I think that it's rediculous to say that it's disrespectful to say that Brady, as all other human beings, will get old and that the increased age will decrease his skill as an NFL player. That happens to everyone, and some day Brady won't be our best option at QB. That's not disrespecting Brady or ****ting on his legacy, that's just life.

Nonentity · Feb 22, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
And, no, I'm not overlooking that fact. But let me ask you a simple question: if in the 2017 season the Patriots believe* that Brady only has one or two years left, while Garoppolo could be their starter for over a decade, what would you recommend they do?

If we truly believe at the end of Brady's contract that Garoppolo is ready to take over, but that Brady still wants to play, then we should sign Brady to a placeholder extension and trade him.

As sad as it might be, the franchise has to come first. Get a bunch of picks for a franchise QB who might still be able to play a few seasons, and use those to build around Garoppolo.

But all of this is a long way off, and the bar for being able to take over from Brady is incredibly high.

Tunescribe · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
Ryan Mallett even styled his hair like Brady after within his first season. This is the norm. The Brady being aligned with Garoppolo started with your OP and grew with others adding more ridiculous assertions.

If you want to talk about ignorance, I don't think people realize how disrespectful and unappreciative it is to Brady to use his name in any type of comparison with a player who has never even started an NFL game. Fans should appreciate what Brady has done for this franchise, not post about him not being the best QB for the team and therefore the franchise will show him the door.. It's like comparing your 45 year old wife who had stood by you through it all, sacrificed for you and made your life better to a college girl. The college girl might look appealing but the reality is you know very little about her. People need to take a major step back with Garoppolo because if he was such a promising prospect that within 4 years of being drafted the Patriots will be cutting the GOAT and starting him I sincerely doubt Bill O'Brien would have taken an OG 33rd overall instead of the next Steve Young. I personally respect O'Brien and think he is as knowledgeable about QBs as anyone in the NFL including Belichick.

You're off on a tangent of unfounded conjecture. Nobody, here especially me, is comparing Garoppolo to Brady in terms of ability. The article addresses Jimmy's preparation, work/off-field habits, dedication, personality and leadership potential. In those respects he is "Brady-like." That's not being disrespectful to or unappreciative of Brady in any way; in fact, it's a compliment. I never heard or read of Mallett being described that way.

skspikex2 · Feb 22, 2015

Rather have Patriots players all Brady-like than Manziel-like.

PatsFanInVa · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
The players you named aren't Tom Brady they never sacrificed for the team.

Drew never sacrificed for the team? Drew didn't eat crow when he lost his job to injury, came back and played his role to get us to the Super Bowl, then rode the pine before "banishment" to Buffalo? He took Brady under his wing in the opposite of the Favre/Rodgers relationship... when young pup Tom had been jumping on him earlier saying "I'm going to take your job!"

I think people remember what happened to them in their life, to an extent... I think Brady remembers a guy who bit the bullet and transitioned with grace... when the time comes, I'd love for Brady to hang 'em up as a Patriot, after "one for the thumb" (why not?) But if he's off to the Chiefs or the Bills or the Vikings at some point, I hope Prince Aladdin is the one here to pick up the pieces. He looks like a winner in the NE vibe/system.

I do wonder if it will get ugly in the end - and one day, whichever day you look at, there will be an end. TFB is one of the game's fiercest competitors... you have to wonder if that must mean an ugly departure. I choose not to think so.

Ivan · Feb 22, 2015

Wheelman said:
Kevin Williams didn't want to come here.

Now he paid for it, quite literally I should say!

I was just thinking about that while watching some of the combine this morning. I love it, turn down the Patriots because you want a ring and then lose to them in the Super Bowl. Karmic reward at its finest.

shmessy · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
I'm keeping the GOAT. I'm not ****ting on that legacy even if it means the team isn't as competitive in the SB race for 1-2 seasons.

There you go.

Thank you for coming clean on that.

Some may agree with you.

I and others root for the New England Patriots.

rochrist · Feb 22, 2015

Brady6 said:
Ryan Mallett even styled his hair like Brady after within his first season. This is the norm. The Brady being aligned with Garoppolo started with your OP and grew with others adding more ridiculous assertions.

If you want to talk about ignorance, I don't think people realize how disrespectful and unappreciative it is to Brady to use his name in any type of comparison with a player who has never even started an NFL game. Fans should appreciate what Brady has done for this franchise, not post about him not being the best QB for the team and therefore the franchise will show him the door.. It's like comparing your 45 year old wife who had stood by you through it all, sacrificed for you and made your life better to a college girl. The college girl might look appealing but the reality is you know very little about her. People need to take a major step back with Garoppolo because if he was such a promising prospect that within 4 years of being drafted the Patriots will be cutting the GOAT and starting him I sincerely doubt Bill O'Brien would have taken an OG 33rd overall instead of the next Steve Young. I personally respect O'Brien and think he is as knowledgeable about QBs as anyone in the NFL including Belichick.

Stop being a teenage girl. This is football, not someone's love life.

Brady6 · Feb 22, 2015

shmessy said:
There you go.

Thank you for coming clean on that.

Some may agree with you.

I and others root for the New England Patriots.

I do too and it is good for the history of the Patriots to have Tom Brady play his entire career here. Brady will go to the HOF be remembered as one of the greatest ever do you want that association to be with a positive ending or a negative ending? You think that all that matters to a franchise is winning and losing but it's not true the history of the team is bigger than 1-2 seasons and Brady's career is right now the face of this franchise.

Brady6 · Feb 22, 2015

rochrist said:
Stop being a teenage girl. This is football, not someone's love life.

There is more to football than wins and loses anyone who has ever played the game knows that. There is something to be said for doing right by your players and maintaining a positive legacy.

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