jemea thomas cut

AndyJohnson said:

How does a player being cut prove the Patriots agree with your version of his strengths and weaknesses vs someone elses?

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It doesn't

PatsChamp88 said:

Well if you bothered to read the thread he predicted Thomas would get injured, missing extended time and not be able to compete once healthy because he was so far behind.

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In the thread linked? It looked to me like an immature argument between two posters about what the players strengths and weaknesses are. Didn't see anything like that.

That's why I said one of the big talented tackles Antonio Richardson or Seantrel Henderson would have been better than Thomas. If those guys stay straight and play one could end up a steal as at least the talent is there. Your right champ, how was jemea Thomas to contribute, there wasn't even a need. However one of the tackles could fill in at RT or even LT and even could turn out to be steals. They had some issues but also 6'7 and some talent,especially Henderson

PatFanCraig said:

That's why I said one of the big talented tackles Antonio Richardson or Seantrel Henderson would have been better than Thomas. If those guys stay straight and play one could end up a steal as at least the talent is there. Your right champ, how was jemea Thomas to contribute, there wasn't even a need. However one of the tackles could fill in at RT or even LT and even could turn out to be steals. They had some issues but also 6'7 and some talent,especially Henderson

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Jackson Jeffcoat would have probably been a better pick in that spot as well.

PatsChamp88 said:

Well if you bothered to read the thread he predicted Thomas would get injured, missing extended time and not be able to compete once healthy because he was so far behind.

This guy really had practice squad written all over him when he was drafted did anyone really think he'd make the team? I mean it'd have to be on special teams or because of injuries and missing that much time isn't going to help his cause.

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We need a safety that can cover since we have no shortage of in-the-box safeties. If Thomas provided that, he would still be on the team. But I do agree with you that he may be a good practice squad candidate.

KontradictioN said:

We need a safety that can cover since we have no shortage of in-the-box safeties. If Thomas provided that, he would still be on the team. But I do agree with you that he may be a good practice squad candidate.

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We need safeties. If Thomas was good enough, regardless of his strengths or weaknesses, he wouldn't have been cut.
WHAT he does well and poorly isn't what got him cut its that he isn't good enough that got him cut.

KontradictioN said:

Jackson Jeffcoat would have probably been a better pick in that spot as well.

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The guy who no one wanted to draft and who has already been cut?

AndyJohnson said:

If none of those 3 rookies play a snap this year, Halapio gets cut, Fleming spends the next 3 years as the #3 tackle then moves on, and Stork becomes a decent starter by 2016, we got more than the average value teams get from draft choices in those slots.
Your expectations are out of line with reality.

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I disagree, this past drafts was one of the deepest in recent memory, if 3 of 8 picks do not even make the team it will be a disappointment.

Brady6 said:

I disagree, this past drafts was one of the deepest in recent memory, if 3 of 8 picks do not even make the team it will be a disappointment.

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Then we disagree. 6th and 7th round picks being cut in their first year is about the most meaningless gauge of the quality of a draft you can have. The chance of a 6th or 7th round pick ever contributing significantly is small. Having them on the roster doing nothing doesn't mean the draft was better.
Your expectations are off the mark, and tainting them with the old 'this was a deep draft' line is silly.

How many job openings would you expect on a young team that won 12 games last year?

You also have to account for Malcolm Butler who looks to be a good UDFA addition.

AndyJohnson said:

Then we disagree. 6th and 7th round picks being cut in their first year is about the most meaningless gauge of the quality of a draft you can have. The chance of a 6th or 7th round pick ever contributing significantly is small. Having them on the roster doing nothing doesn't mean the draft was better.
Your expectations are off the mark, and tainting them with the
old 'this was a deep draft' line is silly.

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First we decided to trade the #93 pick to get the extra 6th round pick. We could have stayed at #93 took player with a better chance to make the team. Instead we wanted Stork and Halapio, so I evaluate them based on that decision and so far the draft class has been disappointing. The only player that has looked good in the preseason has been Garopollo, the rest have been not impressive or not played. How you can disagree that it has been disappointing so far is crazy to me. You can disagree with me assessing it now but to disagree with my assessment is odd.

Brady6 said:

First we decided to trade the #93 pick to get the extra 6th round pick. We could have stayed at #93 took player with a better chance to make the team. Instead we wanted Stork and Halapio, so I evaluate them based on that decision and so far the draft class has been disappointing. The only player that has looked good in the preseason has been Garopollo, the rest have been not impressive or not played. How you can disagree that it has been disappointing so far is crazy to me. You can disagree with me assessing it now but to disagree with my assessment is odd.

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We may have taken Stork at 93.
I'm not sure why you don't get this. We traded 93 for 105 and a 6th, which is a pick that has a relatively small chance of making the roster. Why would you think the 6th has any more chance of contributing because it was part of a trade. We got what we traded for, and in this case, the more likely thing happened and the 6th didn't help. Perhaps he will end up on the ps, which would make him an above average success for a 6th.

I have seen nothing to tell me Easley was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.

I have seen nothing to tell me Garapolo was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Stork was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Fleming was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me White was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Moore was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Halapio was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick. Even if he does not make the team, a 6th round pick is more miss than hit.
I expected nothing from the slot Thomas was picked . I am not exactly disappointed in that pick.

AndyJohnson said:

We may have taken Stork at 93.
I'm not sure why you don't get this. We traded 93 for 105 and a 6th, which is a pick that has a relatively small chance of making the roster. Why would you think the 6th has any more chance of contributing because it was part of a trade. We got what we traded for, and in this case, the more likely thing happened and the 6th didn't help. Perhaps he will end up on the ps, which would make him an above average success for a 6th.

I have seen nothing to tell me Easley was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.

I have seen nothing to tell me Garapolo was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Stork was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Fleming was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me White was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Moore was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick.
I have seen nothing to tell me Halapio was a bad pick. I am not at all disappointed in that pick. Even if he does not make the team, a 6th round pick is more miss than hit.
I expected nothing from the slot Thomas was picked . I am not exactly disappointed in that pick.

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You need to open your eyes because if you are not disappointed in anything you have not been paying attention. Not to sound like a **** but I would be willing to bet I have forgot more about the 2014 draft than you ever knew, so you telling me about expectations and what players would have or should have been selected where is rich.

Easley, Garopollo, Fleming, and Moore were solid or even good choices, anyone who invested even 60 minutes into the scouting and mocking process of this past draft would have told you that Stork, Halapio, and Thomas were poor choices.

Zeus said:

How many job openings would you expect on a young team that won 12 games last year?

You also have to account for Malcolm Butler who looks to be a good UDFA addition.

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The team won an average of 12.5 games per season in 2011 and 2012, they drafted 14 players 13 of them made the team, and are all are still members of the team. Now all of we have to deep of a roster.

Brady6 said:

I disagree, this past drafts was one of the deepest in recent memory, if 3 of 8 picks do not even make the team it will be a disappointment.

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All 8 of those picks could be 1st rounders and the average bust rate around the league for 1st rounders would dictate that 20% to 30% of them would be a bust.

Brady6 said:

You need to open your eyes because if you are not disappointed in anything you have not been paying attention. Not to sound like a **** but I would be willing to bet I have forgot more about the 2014 draft than you ever knew, so you telling me about expectations and what players would have or should have been selected where is rich.

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I'm sure you think that, and yes it does make you sound like one.
How could I be disappointed with a draft choice before their first season started? That is just silly.

Easley, Garopollo, Fleming, and Moore were solid or even good choices, anyone who invested even 60 minutes into the scouting and mocking process of this past draft would have told you that Stork, Halapio, and Thomas were poor choices.

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Whether a draft pick is good or bad has nothing to do with what you think after reading reports. It has to do with what happens to the player. You really have to deKiperize. The people who know the most about evaluating football players are employed by NFL teams, not the media.
I guess Brady was a bad pick back in 2001, huh?

Danger Zone said:

All 8 of those picks could be 1st rounders and the average bust rate around the league for 1st rounders would dictate that 20% to 30% of them would be a bust.

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And there could be life on Mars.

Brady6 said:

The team won an average of 12.5 games per season in 2011 and 2012, they drafted 14 players 13 of them made the team, and are all are still members of the team. Now all of we have to deep of a roster.

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Well we added those 13, so I suppose so.
Are you saying the Patriots are not a deep team that it is more difficult for a draft choice to make?

Brady6 said:

And there could be life on Mars.

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But of course no one can prove that, while a moron could prove the bust rate of draft choices.

Brady6 said:

And there could be life on Mars.

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You are missing the point.

If 1st picks have a 20-30% chance of being a bust and 2nd round picks hover in the 50 percentile of being a bust around the league.. then 3 of our 8 draft picks not making the team means very little.

Towards the end of the 2nd round the chances of a player becoming even an average player in the NFL drop to the point that the odds are against him.