Rumor: Ryan Mallet to Browns for 6th overall pick

bagwell368 said:

BB was going to have to start paying Hoyer real money. Mallet is like a 7' 1" Center of whom it is said you can't coach height, of Mallet it is said/seen that his arm is no joke - but the rest? Not impressed yet.

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Except Hoyer was cut while being signed on a cheap 1 year contract; after him and Mallet competed in training camp. Mallet beat Hoyer out of the back up position. Now Hoyer went through two teams last year and resigned a 1 year tender, so it's not a real impressive win for Mallet, but it is something.

bagwell368 said:

So wait... nobody has any way of knowing what BB thinks, but you KNOW that BB values him as a 3rd round value. Cool trick!

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I said BB values the back up position at a 3rd round value, since he has drafted 2 QBs in the 3rd round to be just that. Also BB clearly valued Mallet as a 3rd rounded, since he took him in the 3rd round. That doesn't mean BB still values Mallet as a 3rd, I was just pointing the value of the back up spot to BB.

bagwell368 said:

Or didn't, how do you know? All I have for sources is my eyes on his play since he got here and a friend of 40 years that's an x Pat player and talking head - and he doesn't like him either - as a player.

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That's cool that you have a friend who is an ex pat. I come to this board to learn more about the game and team from much more knowledgeable posters than myself. But you should be open minded to the idea that BB and JMD get to see Mallet every day in practice with the added benefit of knowing what play was called, and who missed an assignment. It's very possible that what you see on TV is not telling the whole story of Mallet.

bagwell368 said:

I object to your use of the word "trusted" in the same way I object to the word truth in Russian as it applies to the Communist era paper "Pravda". It's propaganda being slipped in as if it's the truth. It's disingenuous at best, and a flat lie at worst.

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It's your right to object to the word, but you can't object to the facts. BB drafted Mallet in the 3rd round to compete for the back up spot. In Mallet's second year he beat out Hoyer who was the back up QB for 3 years. Again it doesn't mean Mallet is an all-pro, but it is the known facts.

Patsgofor4 said:

Latest rumors indicate that Nassib and noodle-armed Barkley could go in the top 10 and Mallet is worth a 5th at best? For every Randy Moss-like bargin, there is a Charlie Whitehurst-like heist. Please take your ball and go home.

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Ryan Mallett is 1-4 with an interception for his entire NFL career. Nice body of work to cough up a #1 draft pick. Are you Al Davis posting from beyond the grave?

goheels22002 said:

Ryan Mallett is 1-4 with an interception for his entire NFL career. Nice body of work to cough up a #1 draft pick. Are you Al Davis posting from beyond the grave?

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and that is still one more completion in the nfl than any QB they could pick in the first round

goheels22002 said:

Ryan Mallett is 1-4 with an interception for his entire NFL career. Nice body of work to cough up a #1 draft pick. Are you Al Davis posting from beyond the grave?

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He's just trying to find the best "playa value" he can get.

gobesmug said:

I said BB values the back up position at a 3rd round value, since he has drafted 2 QBs in the 3rd round to be just that. Also BB clearly valued Mallet as a 3rd rounded, since he took him in the 3rd round. That doesn't mean BB still values Mallet as a 3rd, I was just pointing the value of the back up spot to BB.

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If we want to be purely pedantic, we're talking about two separate issues:

(1) You are correct in that BB is willing to spend third-rounders on backup QBs.

(2) That is not, of course, the same thing as saying that BB is willing to trade Mallett for any particular compensation (or, for that matter, is willing to trade him at all).

ctpatsfan77 said:

If we want to be purely pedantic, we're talking about two separate issues:

(1) You are correct in that BB is willing to spend third-rounders on backup QBs.

(2) That is not, of course, the same thing as saying that BB is willing to trade Mallett for any particular compensation (or, for that matter, is willing to trade him at all).

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Interesting word; I never heard it before.

Thank you for the response. I think you missed out on my point in my OP, or perhaps I did not express myself properly. My point is, BB clearly values the back up spot enough to spend a 3rd round pick on, and in the case of Mallet it would appear that Mallet at the very least met BB expectations; otherwise Hoyer would not have been cut.

I think BB is happy with keeping Mallet as a cheap back up for another two years unless a high enough offer was made. It is easy to logically assume that if BB is willing to spend a 3rd round pick for a back up QB, that it would take higher than a 3rd round pick for BB to trade Mallet. The only way I see BB trading Mallet for less, is if there is a better back up option on the roster, and I don't think voluntary work outs is enough to judge Kafka on; who is most likely just camp fodder.

goheels22002 said:

Ryan Mallett is 1-4 with an interception for his entire NFL career. Nice body of work to cough up a #1 draft pick. Are you Al Davis posting from beyond the grave?

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did you even see that interception? not Mallet's fault he hit Shaincoe right in the hands and he gave it right up to the rams

goheels22002 said:

Ryan Mallett is 1-4 with an interception for his entire NFL career. Nice body of work to cough up a #1 draft pick. Are you Al Davis posting from beyond the grave?

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I never wrote that they would get a 1st in return for him. I wrote that your contention that they would get a 5th rounder at best for him was idiotic.....mainly because it is. Thank God that you aren't pulling the trade strings in Foxboro.

gobesmug said:

Except Hoyer was cut while being signed on a cheap 1 year contract; after him and Mallet competed in training camp. Mallet beat Hoyer out of the back up position. Now Hoyer went through two teams last year and resigned a 1 year tender, so it's not a real impressive win for Mallet, but it is something.

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Hoyer was going to make $2 million dollars, and keeping him would have meant a cut at a different position. While Hoyer outplayed Mallet in T.C. according to reports and my eyes, that wasn't enough to keep him around.

I wouldn't mind getting Josh Gordon for Ryan Mallett. Gordon looked pretty impressive in his rookie season last year.

If we can get a 2nd and 4th for him I'd be thrilled, more realistic would be we'd get a 3rd and 5th.

rainmaker said:

I wouldn't mind getting Josh Gordon for Ryan Mallett. Gordon looked pretty impressive in his rookie season last year.

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That seems counterproductive for the Browns. A big reason they would want Mallett on their team is because they have such a great deep receiver in Gordon.

goheels22002 said:

Ryan Mallett is 1-4 with an interception for his entire NFL career. Nice body of work to cough up a #1 draft pick. Are you Al Davis posting from beyond the grave?

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Thank you... I know fans overate the players on the team they root for, but thinking that Mallet is worth the 6th pick over all or even a #1 pick is ridiculous . M Cassel played almost a whole season and had excellent stats, and the pats could only get a second rounder for him.

reflexblue said:

Thank you... I know fans overate the players on the team they root for, but thinking that Mallet is worth the 6th pick over all or even a #1 pick is ridiculous . M Cassel played almost a whole season and had excellent stats, and the pats could only get a second rounder for him.

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Straw man. I don't think i've seen anyone argue that Mallett should be traded for a #1 straight up. The most optimistic anyone has argued for is Cleveland's #1 for Mallett and our #1.

manxman2601 said:

Straw man. I don't think i've seen anyone argue that Mallett should be traded for a #1 straight up. The most optimistic anyone has argued for is Cleveland's #1 for Mallett and our #1.

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Our #1 + Mallet for their #1 makes Mallett's value on the chart equal to the #17 pick in the first round. So as the other poster said "or even a #1 pick is ridiculous". There were people early in the thread probably praying that it would come true but nonetheless advocating it.

Best case I see is the Browns trade back and pick up a second rounder and the Pats get that second and maybe a conditional pick in 14.

I cannot believe this thread hasn't died yet.

There's draft-day chatter that the Browns might try to make another pitch for Patriots backup quarterback Ryan Mallett during the draft, a league source told the Plain Dealer.
Browns GM Mike Lombardi loved Mallett coming out of Arkansas in 2011, and has checked in about him previously with his longtime friend Bill Belichick.
The Patriots are believed to want at least a second-round pick for Mallett, which the Browns don't have right now. So they'd either have to trade into the round, give up a second-rounder next year or come up with a combination of picks and players.
One player who might become expendable during this draft is Jabaal Sheard, who's making the switch from end to outside linebacker. The Patriots also coveted new defensive end Desmond Bryant in free agency, but it's unknown if the Browns would be willing to part with him.
Right now, as the source said, it's chatter. But it would make sense for Lombardi to at least check into it if the Browns acquire the second-rounder.

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manxman2601 said:

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Cannot see the Pats moving Mallet although I didn't like the pick at First. He's young have a cannon arm and his biding his time behing the GOAT QB. Brady cannot play forever and Good QB are hard to find. We only have Two QB's on the roster.

PatsFan2 said:

We only have Two QB's on the roster.

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3.

Brady, Mallett, Kafka.

If Lombardi wants to give up Sheard for Mallett, that deal has to be taken imo.

reflexblue said:

Thank you... I know fans overate the players on the team they root for, but thinking that Mallet is worth the 6th pick over all or even a #1 pick is ridiculous . M Cassel played almost a whole season and had excellent stats, and the pats could only get a second rounder for him.

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Again, though, don't forget that whatever team took Cassel HAD TO pay him at least $14.6M.

A team taking Mallett wouldn't owe him a fifth of that over the next two years.