* Ye Official 2012 Mock Draft Thread!! *

Off The Grid said:

I like Connolly a great deal...but as our 4th IL ~ a Schwing Guard/Center.So that leaves us with a 2013 Comp Pick...unless we want to pay him a starter's wage to be Super Reserve, something that I'm not frankly against, but which probably doesn't work with The Cap.

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Off The Grid said:

I HEAR you, Brother Ninja!! Loud and CLEAR.

I like Connolly a great deal...but as our 4th IL ~ a Schwing Guard/Center.

What's most disappointing about this prospective off season is that it's not very likely that we can snatch much Draft Capital ~ "Loot", to use Brother Snake's NomenClature ~ for a very valuable Reserve.

Nor can we likely afford to keep him: after virtually two years, starting, it's unlikely he fails to draw at least one offer of big bucks.

He's nowhere near good enough to Franchise, and if I got the rules right ~ a weak spot of mine ~ he's far beyond Restricting.

So that leaves us with a 2013 Comp Pick...unless we want to pay him a starter's wage to be Super Reserve, something that I'm not frankly against, but which probably doesn't work with The Cap.

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What I'd like to see is our bringing back Koppen as a Reserve/Possible Starter/Possible Emergency O Guard...and lay down heavy Draft Cap on Brewster...or possibly Konz.

I'll bust out Centers, tonight, after I've gotten some sleep...Would it make more sense to roll out all O Line Grizzlies in one thread?? I'll hit those, and then the Tight Ends/Flex Ends/Wing Backs, then the Split Ends/Flanker Ends, and Slot Ends...

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fester said:

3 years @ 2 million per year wouldn't hurt the Patriots cap at all if that is the cost of getting a super-sub. The Pats payed Mike Wright at least that much to play the defensive line equivilent of swing everything. If I have next year's numbers correct, the Pats have plenty of cap room.

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patsfaninpa said:

Here's a two round mock I did on another site. With our win last night and NO win at Atlanta. Looks like our picks are dropping. Which is a good thing. But, a couple of my binkies like Still and Upshaw will be gone. Damn Raiders win again too! Even have a Luck trade. I also think Miami has to grease Carolina's palms if they want Barkley at 3. Or, Cleveland might trade up as I mentioned. My Pats picks are

1A Vinny Curry - DE - Marshall

- Maybe we stick with 4-3. Even if not, I think he can play olb in a 3-4.

1b TJ McDonald - S - USC

- Looks like a FS type. Which we desperately need.

2a Dwight Jones - WR - UNC

- Big guy. NFL Comp - Kenny Britt/Hakeem Nicks

2b Ben Jones - C - Georgia

- Not sure about this. Wasn't crazy about the DL on board. Great spot for a trade back. Pick up a 3 and 4.

1 Indy to Washington - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford . Give up their 1st and 2nd this year. Their 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year. I don't think Barkley falls to Skins slot. Not crazy about Landry Jones and don't know enough about RG3 yet. That's why Skins do it. Tough pill to swallow for Skins. But, take your medicine son. You'll feel better in the long run.

2. Carolina - Matt Kalil - T- USC - BPA. J. Otah really beat up with knee issues. Slide J. Gross to RT. Matt gets to play with his bro. Keep the franchise Cam Newton healthy. And, believe me. This could be traded. I was tempted to trade this pick to Cleveland for both firsts. If Cleveland values Matt Barkley I think that trade gets done.

3. Miami - Matt Barkley - QB - USC Desperate at qb. May have to float Carolina a 2nd just for not trading that pick. Like Cleveland did when they drafted Kellen Winslow Jr.

4. St. Louis - Justin Blackmon - WR - OK ST. Let's get Bradford some weapons. Rams heydey in St. L was with Bruce/Holt combo.

5. Minnesota - Mo Claiborne - CB - LSU - I'm flexible here. Was considering J. Martin and Q. Coples. Shut down cb's don't grow on trees.

6. Wash to Indy - Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama - I'm assuming Manning wants to play another 3-4 years. And, the best way to keep him healthy will be with a strong running game. Trent will be great running that stretch play he used to with Edge. Have plenty of other picks now to rebuild roster.

7. Arizona - Jon Martin - T- Stanford - Have to give Kolb some more time and make it as easy as possible for him.

8. Cleveland - Robert Griffin 3 - QB - Baylor. Has a year or two behind Colt to develop. Will probably need it. RG3 should send Cam Newton a thank you note for helping him get selected this high.

9. Jacksonville - Alshon Jeffrey - WR - So Car - See St. Louis. Get B. Gabbert some weapons.

10. Philly - Vontaze Burfict - MLB - Ariz St - This team has a huge hole at MLB. Maybe Te'o here.

11. Seattle - Quentin Coples - DE - UNC - BPA at a position they could use help. Considered Landry Jones. They do have two fairly young qb's in T. Jackson and Whitehurst.

12. KC - Landry Jones - QB - Oklahoma - Good situation for Landry. Doesn't have to play right away. KC gets their qb of the future. Hopefully. Don't see a premier player worth taking instead of developmental qb

13. San Diego - Devon Still - DE - PSU - I see him as a two gap 5 tech de in their system. Oakland has been running the ball down their throats. They better figure a way to stop it. Considered Upshaw and Te'o.

14. Tampa Bay - Dre Kirkpatrick - CB - Bama - Ronde can't play forever. Talib didn't work out.

15. Denver - No freakin idea what this team is going to do. Seem to be building a pretty good defense. Have some edge rushers. Help that interior with Brandon Thompson - DT - Clemson. I'll listen to suggestions Broncos fans. 3-4 OR 4-3?? Wishbone next year?? OL not too bad. Have some wr's. Very hard to project here. I considered Zack Brown. But, you have Von Miller.

16. Tennessee - Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame Should make a pretty combo paired with Britt.

17. Atlanta to Cleveland - Zack Brown - OLB - UNC - BPA at a position they can use help. Don't value the rb's and wr's left high enough to pick here. Pretty sure they would consider a trade back here. Considering they did that a lot last year.

18. NY Jets - Courtney Upshaw - OLB - Alabama - Need to pressure Tom Brady or he will eventually get you. I think you make playoffs and pick higher though Jets fans. Can't see 3 teams from AFC North making it.

19. Dallas - Alameda Ta'amu - NG - Washington - Helps keep blockers off their lb's. I also considered Te'o, Barron or McDonald, and Rieff. I have you guys winning the NFC East and picking higher though Poke fans.

20. Buffalo - Mantei Te'o - LB - Notre Dame - Bills need a lot of help on defense. OL good, Jackson/Spiller at rb, Fitzy extended, good wr's. Have to go defense right?

21. Oakland to Cincy - Alonzo Dennard - CB - Nebraska - Had them taking a cb before L. Hall got hurt last night. Maybe a little worried about Jenkins off the field issues. Really seem to be coming together as a team. I go safe here.

22. Cincy - Bengals in the playoffs if season ends today. And, could make it. Going to be tough though. I think Jets sneak in. Never been a Cedric Benson fan. I think Lamar Miller takes a lot of heat off of Dalton Gang if he declares. And, I think he will.

23. Detroit - David DeCastro - G - Stanford - These next 3 playoff teams get players who should have been drafted higher. But, the idiot who did the mock didn't slot them correctly...LOL

24. Chicago - Peter Konz - C - Wisonsin - Gotta keep Cutler upright.

25. NY Giants - Riley Rieff - T - Iowa - BPA

26. Baltimore - Dontae Hightower - LB - Bama Ravens like those defenders who can play multiple positions. Can use him inside/out. Eventually replaces Ray Ray in the middle.

27. New England - Vinny Curry - OLB/DE - Can get after the qb in either the 3-4 or 4-3.

28. No to New England - TJ McDonald - S - USC Need a safety who can play the ball when it's in the air. I like P. Chung but that's not his strength. I don't think the Bama guys are as good as a ballhawk as McDonald is.

29. Houston - Janoris Jenkins - CB - Considered DL here. Building a heckuva defense down there in Houston.

30. San Fran - Dwayne Allen - TE - Clemson - Just basing this off of his offenses at Stanford. I think he'd like to go with a two TE set with V. Davis. Worried about depth behind Gore. Don't have any rb's rated this high.

31 Pittsburgh - They always just draft the best damn player. That's why they're so good. Address the de with Hood and Heyward. I'm going with Luke Kuechly. Considered Mark Barron and Mike Adams.

32 GB - Super Bowl rematch. Dontari Poe - DL - Memphis. Considered J. Worthy, J. Crick, R. Lewis and a couple of defensive backs.

2ND ROUND

Indy - Muhammad Sanu - WR - Rutgers

Miami - Should give this to Carolina since I let you pick Barkley. But, I won't. Miami selects Chase Minnifield.

St. Louis - Mark Barron - S - Alabama

Minnesota - Mike Adams - T - Ohio St

Carolina - Jayron Hosley - CB - Va Tech

Arizona to Philly - Robert Lester - S - Alabama

Cleveland - Nick Toon - WR - Wisconsin

Jacksonville - Stephen Gilmore - CB - So. Carolina

Philly - Whitney Mercilus - DE - Illinois

Seattle - Jerel Worthy - DT - Michigan St

Wash to Indy - Melvin Ingram DE - So Carolina

SD - Ronnell Lewis - OLB - Oklahoma

TB - Cordy Glenn - OL - Georgia

Denver - Ryan Tanneyhill - QB - Texas A&M

KC Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Florida St

Atlanta - Casey Heyward - CB - Vanderbilt

NY Jets - Jeff Fuller - WR - Texas A&M

Dallas - Mike Brewster - C - Ohio ST

Buffalo - Jared Crick - DE - Nebraska

Tennessee - Nigel Bradham - OLB - Florida ST

Oakland to NE - Dwight Jones - WR- UNC

Cincy - Kelechi Osemele - OL - Iowa St

Detroit - Travis Lewis - OLB - Oklahoma

Chicago - Marvin McNutt - WR - Iowa

NY Giants - Markelle Martin - S - Oklahoma ST

Baltimore - Zerbie Sanders - T - Florida St

New England - Ben Jones - C- Georgia

New Orleans - Devin Taylor - DE - So Carolina

Houston - Josh Chapman - NG - Alabama

SF - Lemichael James - RB - Oregon

Pitt - Levy Adcock - T - Oklahoma ST

GB - Bruce Irvin - OLB - West Va

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Off The Grid said:

To follow Brother Penn Pat's lead, here're the two fattest Mock DataBases I've found, so far:

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Mock Draft Database

NFL Mock Database

Both have more than 100, so far!!

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patsfaninpa said:

What did ya think of the Luck trade? Seems fair to me.

I'm only doing it if Peyton Manning tells me he's ok and wants to play out his career in Indy. I was light on your grizzlies.

My thinking was stick with the 4-3 with this one.

Would still like to get an olb who can run, a depth cb or a dt in the draft. He's tiny for our system. But, I've been impressed with Levonte David from Nebraska. Would just be an olb in obvious passing situations. Made the key stop at psu Sat. Stuffed Silas Redd on 4th and one. One on one. No help. Redd kid is a pretty good back. Get a cb in the 4th. Sign a vet for dt and s. Maybe, we have a respectable defense.

Starting DL
A. Carter, V. Wilfork, K. Love and V. Curry
2ND Unit
B. Deaderick, R. Brace, UFA, M. Anderson
Depth
M. Pryor and J. Cunningham(Hit the weightroom son)
Retire
G. Warren, M. Wright

Starting LB's
J. Mayo, B. Spikes and Ninko
Depth
D. Fletcher, ?, ?
Sp Teams
T. White or J. Tarpinian
Let Go
G. Guyton

CB
K. Arrington, D. McCourty
3rd Corner/Nickel
R. Dowling
Still Need 2 More
?, ?
S
P. Chung and T. McDonald
DEPTH
J. Ihedigbo, J. Barrett and S. Brown
Want a vet to supplement all that youth at S.

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patsfaninpa said:

CBS has updated their rankings list. I think it's a pretty good Top 50. My only gripe is no Vinny Curry. Pretty sure he's top 35-40. If not higher. Doesn't have the safeties very high we keep seeing mocked to us. Safeties are tough to evaluate if you don't have the coach's film. I watched USC a couple of times and McDonald lined up so deep. He barely got in the picture most plays. The Bama guys have so much talent around them. Makes them difficult too. Gives you an idea of who might be available when we pick.

NFL Draft - 2012 Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

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Frick said:

PatsFaninPa- you talked about Vinny Curry being in the 35-40 range. I'd have to say he's the hardest player to earmark for were he will be drafted. Found a couple of sights putting him in bottom of the 1st, three or four had him in the third, with the majority placing him in the second rd. & most of them, at the bottom of the second.

Has the measureables BB. loves, but most point to his level of competition, as wanting.

At this moment, I'd guess BB. would go Devon Still 1a- 1b goes to 2013.
Vinny Curry 2a- 2b FS

That's as far as I would go for now. I'm convinced Devon Still will be our first choice based on his play and the fact 2013 doesn't look like it will have anyone better. What are your thoughts.

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patsfaninpa said:

Tree trunks for lugs.

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patsfaninpa said:

CBS has a new mock out. Depressing news. Rang has Devon Still going 9th. Ugh. And, Reuter has him going 21st. Split the difference and that's where I think he goes. On a bright note, they both have Courtney Upshaw available when we pick. Does Upshaw physique wise remind anyone else of Dwight Freeney? Tree trunks for lugs. About same height. Even had that spin move last week. Courtney isn't going to run a 4.45 so that's why he'll drop lower than Freeney went. Rang has us taking Upshaw and K.Wright - wr. If we're going wr, give me the bigger target Sanu. Reuter has picking Hightower instead of Upshaw. And, C. Minnifield. I'm hoping Dowling comes on next year and McCourty forgets about soph jinx. Really impressed with Arrington. That could be a decent top 3. If we're going 3-4, could we take both Bama lb's? Upshaw and Hightower. Hightower plays inside on early downs and moves outside/de in the nickel? I know Ochmed would like that. But, I'll let him comment on that.

NFL Draft - 2012 Mock Drafts - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

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Off The Grid said:

Is that like Cars For Kids?? :singing:

That song makes me want to STAB somebody.

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Off The Grid said:

Good stuff, man.

I place far more weight on Reuter's Picks, for what it's worth. Rang had us spending a 1st Rounder on an O TACKLE or something of equally galactic stupidity, earlier. :bricks:

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patsfaninpa said:

Yeah, that was last week. Cannon is 6'5". He can be our backup RT. We have 3 guys who can play LT. Light, Solder and Vollmer. Only spot we really need is a starting C. Unless we keep Koppen. Already re-upped R. Wendell. 9 OL would be; Light - Mankins - Koppen - Waters - Vollmer. Backups would be; Solder - Cannon - Connolly - Wendell. Have two guys on IR. K. Hix and R. Ohrnberger. Decision on Koppen will be made in March. We'll know by draft day wheter we will be picking a C or not. If Still gets drafted too early, I'm curious to see more of this Dontari Poe kid from Memphis. Huge and very strong. Lock down that LDE in a 3-4 and send Mr. Ellis packing.

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