Brady on WEEI - 10/12

SVN said:

must be the OC

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I disagree. It's most likely Dean Pees.

SVN said:

must be the OC

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You can blame that ******ed show for a lot of the problems in the world, but maybe not the Pats struggles...

Honestly, I think the problem is it's been so long that they're just over anxious. Kind of like a teenage boy who . . . well, never mind. But the analogy fits. They need to just make a few of these plays then they can settle in, relax and have fun.

KontradictioN said:

I disagree. It's most likely Dean Pees.

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sorry ..i was actually being sarcastic

Brady to Brown said:

So you don't see Brady throwing his WR's under the bus?

You watching the games?

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Dude, Brady was pissed at himself after overthrowing Moss twice yesterday. I'm not sure what you're watching.

As for the Welker play - Welker was the one who was angry after the play. Brady obviously wanted Welker to sit down and get the first down, Welker saw the clear daylight and wanted 6.

Sadly, it's come to this...

Tommy will get much better as the season goes along. He is currently the #19 ranked QB in the NFL behind Kevin Kolb and David Garrard. Come on. TB is the best QB in football, as he climbs the charts this year, so will the Pats !

PatsWickedPissah said:

Sadly, it's come to this...

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Wish he held the football in the 4th quarter as tightly as he's holding that goat.

Regards,
Chris

RhodyPatriot said:

Stop making excuses for Brady. He hit Welker IN THE ANKLE on the play in question. It was a bad throw whether he was trying for the 3rd down or a homerun.
No I don't want Brady to lie. What I want is more accountability from him concerning HIS struggles. If Brady and his receivers aren't on the same page then perhaps Tom needs to stay after school and put in the time to straighten out the situation. Tom used to do that. I'm not so sure that's the case any longer.

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He was accountable. Said he blew the throw to Randy. Did you miss that.

The fact that you're ignoring that Brady has timed plays with his receivers beggars belief.

You're the only one here who seems to think Brady threw an inaccurate ball at Welker's ankle rather than the two of them being on different pages in terms of the route to be run.

Brady will never be pre-2008 Brady. He has missed a lot of big plays, and he's always pissed at others. He should be pissed at himself. Pre-2008 Brady would have hit Moss, and Welker with his freelance, wide-open move. This injury at his age screws with the mind - I'm not sure he will get it back. Plus, offensive and defensive calls are way too predictable and boring - Kyle Orton looked like Joe Montana (come to think of it, Feeley, Boller and Eli Manning in 2007 looked like Joe Montana!! These guys suck!!!!!!). Peyton and Drew Brees are going to have a field day with this team.

jaytivey said:

Brady will never be pre-2008 Brady. He has missed a lot of big plays, and he's always pissed at others. He should be pissed at himself. Pre-2008 Brady would have hit Moss, and Welker with his freelance, wide-open move. This injury at his age screws with the mind - I'm not sure he will get it back. Plus, offensive and defensive calls are way too predictable and boring - Kyle Orton looked like Joe Montana (come to think of it, Feeley, Boller and Eli Manning in 2007 looked like Joe Montana!! These guys suck!!!!!!). Peyton and Drew Brees are going to have a field day with this team.

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Blah blah blah blah. Again, Brady was visibly mad at himself twice yesterday. He never got mad at another receiver.

Seriously, the amount of angst directed at the guy who brought us 3 SB championships is pathetic! This fanbase has become a joke, overnight. Next up, fans will turn against Belichick.

jaytivey said:

Brady will never be pre-2008 Brady. He has missed a lot of big plays, and he's always pissed at others. He should be pissed at himself. Pre-2008 Brady would have hit Moss, and Welker with his freelance, wide-open move. This injury at his age screws with the mind - I'm not sure he will get it back. Plus, offensive and defensive calls are way too predictable and boring - Kyle Orton looked like Joe Montana (come to think of it, Feeley, Boller and Eli Manning in 2007 looked like Joe Montana!! These guys suck!!!!!!). Peyton and Drew Brees are going to have a field day with this team.

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You're entitled to your opinion. It’s the assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.

Brady to Brown said:

So you don't see Brady throwing his WR's under the bus?

You watching the games?

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Brady is not throwing anyone "under the bus." He missed a full year of football and he and the WR's are not on the same page, yet. He's frustrated, just like any other competitor, at leaving plays -- and thus points -- that he has normally made throughout his career and expects to make on the field.

upstater1 said:

He was accountable. Said he blew the throw to Randy. Did you miss that.

The fact that you're ignoring that Brady has timed plays with his receivers beggars belief.

You're the only one here who seems to think Brady threw an inaccurate ball at Welker's ankle rather than the two of them being on different pages in terms of the route to be run.

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Look at the replay. He did throw the ball at Welker's feet. And yes he and Welker were on different pages but WHY is that??
Patriot receivers are taught to read how defenses are playing them and adjust accordingly. If this offense is strictly "only run your route as designed" then why do so many receivers have difficulty picking up this offense? Why can't Joey Galloway (a terrific receiver for many years) simply run his routes if that's all this offense demands of its' receivers?? Because strict route running is NOT the only thing this offense requires of its' receivers.
Bottom line - Welker saw the way the defense came up on him, saw an obvious and gapping opening in the coverage and adjusted his route. It was TOM BRADY to didn't read that coverage correctly, didn't recognize the adjustment Welker was making and missed a wide open Wes for 7 points. In the past Brady would have read that defense, reacted to what Welker was doing and made a good throw. Let me ask you a question. Do you honestly think Wes Welker just decided this season that he's going to freelance and wing it??? Or is this the way they play (making in-route adjustments) but Brady isn't sharp right now and isn't picking up on what's going on quickly enough??

RhodyPatriot said:

Stop making excuses for Brady. He hit Welker IN THE ANKLE on the play in question. It was a bad throw whether he was trying for the 3rd down or a homerun.

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I disagree. It looked to me like Brady was expecting Wes to curl right around the first down line, if Wes curls there the throw is right on the money and we get the first down. Wes saw he had the home-run and adjusted his route, unfortunately the problem with curls is that you have to throw them before the receiver even begins to curl, so Brady had to throw the ball before he saw Wes wasn't curling. It's still on Brady though, he failed to see what Wes saw downfield and adjust accordingly -- but it wasn't an inaccurate pass, it was a mix up.

BelichickFan said:

Honestly, I think the problem is it's been so long that they're just over anxious. Kind of like a teenage boy who . . . well, never mind. But the analogy fits. They need to just make a few of these plays then they can settle in, relax and have fun.

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I completely agree.

SVN said:

if you listen to boomer esiason
Boomer Esiason, NFL on CBS on WEEI

he says something interesting that brady when missing his throws is getting so animated which is not very like him from the past yrs which is a bit unsettling. i tend to agree with him on this part.

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His body is not yet responding the way he's used to it responding. The healing is finished, but the muscle memory isn't quite back yet, but it will come.

RhodyPatriot said:

So Tom is saying if Welker made the right read on that play then the ball Tom threw at Welker's ANKLE would have been caught by Wes??
I think Tom is the one who's not reading the play right and making the right throws.
If Brady makes the right read and hits Welker in stride Wes is still running.....

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If Welker read what Brady read he would have stopped and the pass would hit him in the numbers. If Brady read what Welker read he would have thrown the ball to where Welker was going.
How would you know which one read it wrong?

RhodyPatriot said:

Stop making excuses for Brady. He hit Welker IN THE ANKLE on the play in question. It was a bad throw whether he was trying for the 3rd down or a homerun.
No I don't want Brady to lie. What I want is more accountability from him concerning HIS struggles. If Brady and his receivers aren't on the same page then perhaps Tom needs to stay after school and put in the time to straighten out the situation. Tom used to do that. I'm not so sure that's the case any longer.

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So if Moss is supposed to run a fly, and twists his ankle and stops after 15 yards, it must be Bradys fault because he overthrew him? Thats what you are saying. Welker ran the wrong route, Brady threw to where Welker was supposed to be, but was not. The pass that would have him Welker between the numbers on a curl, hit his ankle on a fly route. Since it hit his ankle its Bradys fault. Nice logic.

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Except that last year he did. How do I know? The pundits were falling over themselves trying to explain this. Remember, he missed training camp last year. Also, carving up the dregs of the NFL, is somewhat overrated.

I think the problem here is people had/still have unrealistic expectations of where Brady should be right now. His high school QB guru stated that the first eight games were going to be a struggle. We should have expected the same. Playing top teams has coumpounded this.

Once game 10 rolls around, we will know if this is a lost year.

I would also add that ACL injuries are really considered two year injuries.

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Yes, manning struggled the first seven games of the season last year - then went on to win MVP honors. This is what gives me hope. What worries me is that Brady was working with Welker and Moss during the off-season and all pre-season. The timing is way off and I donlt know enough to dissect his mechanics.....but I suspect there is something going on there too. I have to beleive the issue is a mental one.

upstater1 said:

He threw to Welker a ball that would be complete if Welker were looking for a first down and not a home run.

The ridiculous stuff I read on this board about Brady the last two days has made me think some of my fellow fans panic at the first sign of adversity.

This doesn't mean Brady is infallible.

He said it himself: No excuses for missing Randy. When it comes to Welker, though, clearly they were not on the same page.

You want Brady to lie?

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Brady screwed up that read. The safety had jumped up in the coverage. If Brady didn't misread it, Welker has a touchdown catch. As a matter of fact, the analyst pointed that out when the play was made.