Hannah makes a point

dhamz said:

No link. It was on TV last week, whatever they call Fox NE Sports Tonight these days.

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damn. I miss all the good stuff living down here. I need to move back home.

what else did he say? anything worth mentioning?

Patjew said:

Doesn't Moss keep his arms down until the last second so that the DB doesn't know the ball is coming? I think I've heard that once or 10,000 times before.

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Yes he does. When he catches it, it is a great play. When he doesn't, he's dogging it apparently.

MoLewisrocks said:

Interesting, he saw it as some of us did... Maybe this week he can comment on the OL and pass blocking...

And for the record, Randy said there was some real look in the mirror individual soul searching that went on in the aftermath of watching the the SD game film.

“Last week, Moss is running down the field, the ball is coming, and he never lifted his arms for the ball,” Hannah said. “At some point in time, if you see that ball, you’ve got to jump for it. You’ve got to grab it. You’ve got to take it away from the other guy. I don’t think our receivers as a whole - (Wes) Welker fights for everything he gets - but I think a lot of our speed-type receivers are spoiled by Brady. . . . They have to go up and take it away from the other guy because (current starter Matt) Cassel can’t put it in your hip pocket.”

“I don’t know if it’s that, but you get into habits, and habits are hard to break,” said Hannah. “I don’t know. He may be hurt. Maybe he’s got a bad ankle. Maybe he’s got a bad knee. You don’t know. That could be it. They’re not going to broadcast on the wires if they’ve got an injury.

“You know the problem, but you can only guess at what causes that problem.”




John Hannah makes a point to Randy Moss - BostonHerald.com

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I thought he did that in an attempt to disguise that the ball was coming? But yeah, as it approaches, and the defender is still locked on, I suppose you have to gets those arms out there and try and make the snag.

Hannah must have his TV muted when he watches games because it's been said over and over and over again by analysts that when a pass is coming towards Randy's way, Randy waits for the last minute to open up his hands for the ball to drop in. The CBs have their backs turned and looks at the receiver's reaction to see if the ball is coming or not and if the receiver is showing that the ball is coming too soon, that gives them the opportunity to make a play. That's why it looks like Randy is nonchalant when the ball is thrown his way. This is when the CBs have their backs turned. If you've watched Moss play at all, he does go after the ball at it's highest point when it is a jump ball situation, or when he and the CB are both looking at the ball coming.

I've heard this sooooo many times and I'm not paid to watch football yet Hannah makes this comment. It's a silly and uninformed comment.

dakevdude said:

Let's not get into this ridiculous argument again with the "Moss doesn't try hard enough"...blah blah blah....sheeesh...

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I think it's a pretty valid one. Last night was the most intense we've seen him play in a while, and I thought the exact same thing as Hannah on the play in question.

MoLewisrocks said:

Interesting, he saw it as some of us did... Maybe this week he can comment on the OL and pass blocking...

And for the record, Randy said there was some real look in the mirror individual soul searching that went on in the aftermath of watching the the SD game film.

“Last week, Moss is running down the field, the ball is coming, and he never lifted his arms for the ball,” Hannah said. “At some point in time, if you see that ball, you’ve got to jump for it. You’ve got to grab it. You’ve got to take it away from the other guy. I don’t think our receivers as a whole - (Wes) Welker fights for everything he gets - but I think a lot of our speed-type receivers are spoiled by Brady. . . . They have to go up and take it away from the other guy because (current starter Matt) Cassel can’t put it in your hip pocket.”

“I don’t know if it’s that, but you get into habits, and habits are hard to break,” said Hannah. “I don’t know. He may be hurt. Maybe he’s got a bad ankle. Maybe he’s got a bad knee. You don’t know. That could be it. They’re not going to broadcast on the wires if they’ve got an injury.

“You know the problem, but you can only guess at what causes that problem.”




John Hannah makes a point to Randy Moss - BostonHerald.com

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Hannah's comments are pointless and off-base. What does he know about going up and making a play on the football? I respect your posting quite a bit and would more often than not defer to you, but I find your support of Hannah's comments downright puzzling given how negative they are, and I find Hannah's comments unnecessary and grossly unfair to Moss.

Troy Brown was on Comcast Sports Net and said that Moss was doing exactly what he should have done, which is not to give away where the ball was in the air, particularly since it was underthrown.

Brown flat out said that Moss did his job and that Cassel underthrew and poorly threw a bunch of balls. You just have to take his word over Hannah in this instance. Honestly, Hannah's opinion on Moss' ball skills is no more valuable than yours or mine, but Troy Brown's is.

After Cassel's strong performance last nite, I think we can look back without the need to sugarcoat his poor performance in San Diego. He played poorly last week, he played great last nite. Moss did his job in both games, as he has every week this season.

Hannah is correct, and it's always good to hear from a player who has the stones to call it as they see it.

You're expecting Moss to throw the ball to himself?? He can't do everything! He needs a QB who can give it to him.

BradyManny2344 said:

Hannah's comments are pointless and off-base. What does he know about going up and making a play on the football? I respect your posting quite a bit and would more often than not defer to you, but I find your support of Hannah's comments downright puzzling given how negative they are, and I find Hannah's comments unnecessary and grossly unfair to Moss.

Troy Brown was on Comcast Sports Net and said that Moss was doing exactly what he should have done, which is not to give away where the ball was in the air, particularly since it was underthrown.

Brown flat out said that Moss did his job and that Cassel underthrew and poorly threw a bunch of balls. You just have to take his word over Hannah in this instance. Honestly, Hannah's opinion on Moss' ball skills is no more valuable than yours or mine, but Troy Brown's is.

After Cassel's strong performance last nite, I think we can look back without the need to sugarcoat his poor performance in San Diego. He played poorly last week, he played great last nite. Moss did his job in both games, as he has every week this season.

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Brown just announced his retirement from THIS team. He's not going to go the Ted Johnson route of trying to make his bones in his new gig by making a potentially incendiary comment about the #1 WR on this team. But I recall that same player (among others) making some effort catches for a first year starter in 2001, the kind he could be trying hard and still not have been expected to make and it would have been technically on the QB had he not... In fact I see WR's save QB's bacon regularly in this league.

I don't think Moss has been dogging it per se, but like Ian said there was a marked elevation in his intensity last night. He said himself in the post game that watching film of the SD game was a revelation for them last week and led to a lot of individual re-evaluation of their own performances and the need to ramp them up. He needed to adjust to the FACT that Tom Brady isn't throwing him that ball this season, Matt Cassel is and his work in progress throws may be slightly off the mark compared to his HOF mentor. The team has to adjust to that across the board and make some less than ideal circumstances work or they aren't going to be successful.

The broadcast crew, who get to sit with Bill for game prep, also noted last night that one of Bill's themes to them this week when discussing the offense was to accept the fact that Brady isn't coming back, and that player is the rare exception you can't replace and expect to entirely replicate. Ergo, everyone's expectations for Cassel need to be adjusted to accommodate reality. It sounded like Jaws and Terico took that message to heart last night judging from much of their developing QB commentary.

And for the record Fred Smerlas (I know another big ugly) and Christian Fauria (a TE) said much the same thing on the post game last week.

In last nights press conference Randy said they watched film of the SD game and saw the mistakes they made. It seems to me that they corrected a number of their mistakes. I had a great time watching the game last night.

kbbluepits said:

You're expecting Moss to throw the ball to himself?? He can't do everything! He needs a QB who can give it to him.

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LOL Life isn't always fair. Sometimes it just won't hand you things, it throws you a curve and you have to claw for them instead.

MoLewisrocks said:

Brown just announced his retirement from THIS team. He's not going to go the Ted Johnson route of trying to make his bones in his new gig by making a potentially incendiary comment about the #1 WR on this team....

I don't think Moss has been dogging it per se, but like Ian said there was a marked elevation in his intensity last night. He said himself in the post game that watching film of the SD game was a revelation for them last week and led to a lot of individual re-evaluation of their own performances and the need to ramp them up. He needed to adjust to the FACT that Tom Brady isn't throwing him that ball this season, Matt Cassel is and his work in progress throws may be slightly off the mark compared to his HOF mentor. The team has to adjust to that across the board and make some less than ideal circumstances work or they aren't going to be successful.

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These comments are more even-keeled than Hannah - we gotta separate the two things, technique and desire. Your comment is more about Moss' technique, but Hannah brought up the desire, which is what I find unfair. The allusions to an injury and bad habits, I'm just not having any part of that for Moss right now, he's been a model citizen and doesn't deserve to have things like attitude and body language brought up every time they don't connect a deep ball. As for the technique, again, I still side with Brown - I know he just retired, but he criticized Cassel in the SD game, proving he's not afraid to point out when he think a Patriot plays below the level they are capable of...granted, I'm sure Troy has more of a relationship with Moss than Cassel.

MoLewisrocks said:

Brown just announced his retirement from THIS team. He's not going to go the Ted Johnson route of trying to make his bones in his new gig by making a potentially incendiary comment about the #1 WR on this team. But I recall that same player (among others) making some effort catches for a first year starter in 2001, the kind he could be trying hard and still not have been expected to make and it would have been technically on the QB had he not... In fact I see WR's save QB's bacon regularly in this league.

I don't think Moss has been dogging it per se, but like Ian said there was a marked elevation in his intensity last night. He said himself in the post game that watching film of the SD game was a revelation for them last week and led to a lot of individual re-evaluation of their own performances and the need to ramp them up. He needed to adjust to the FACT that Tom Brady isn't throwing him that ball this season, Matt Cassel is and his work in progress throws may be slightly off the mark compared to his HOF mentor. The team has to adjust to that across the board and make some less than ideal circumstances work or they aren't going to be successful.

The broadcast crew, who get to sit with Bill for game prep, also noted last night that one of Bill's themes to them this week when discussing the offense was to accept the fact that Brady isn't coming back, and that player is the rare exception you can't replace and expect to entirely replicate. Ergo, everyone's expectations for Cassel need to be adjusted to accommodate reality. It sounded like Jaws and Terico took that message to heart last night judging from much of their developing QB commentary.

And for the record Fred Smerlas (I know another big ugly) and Christian Fauria (a TE) said much the same thing on the post game last week.

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Seymour essentially said the same thing during a post game with BSPN last night so agreed, this lack of intensity was apparently a TEAM problem not just Moss' problem or Sey's problem.

To say Moss was "dogging it" may be a bit of an overstatement just as saying Seymour was basically a no-show is too, but nobody can deny that suddenly they went from zero to 210% in a week with improvements across the board. I believe Hannah and I believe Big Sey-not just Moss but almost everybody amped it up last night which tells me they weren't amped 100% before.

As ugly as it was, that SD game was a wake up call to everybody,including Randy Moss.

KillEM said:

"I play when I wanna play" - Randy Moss before he became a Patriot



Just because he doesnt openly say stuff like that anymore, it doesnt change his state of mind.

Hence, one week he has 22 yards, the next week he has 122 yards. He has the skill to get 122 every game though.

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Absolutely hilarious. There are still sheep who believe the media's spin on this quote? That Randy literally decides which plays to run on, and which plays to try not to catch a ball? That he's on pace to be statistically the 2nd best WR in history by not trying? Get a grip pal.

He has 22 yards one week because his 1st year starting QB can't get him the ball! Randy had a few TDs last week if his QB put the ball where it was supposed to be.

Terrell Owens hasn't gone over 100 yards in 10 straight games. I guess he doesn't try, right? Surely he doesn't try.

Some people need to think long and hard before believing every word from the media. These are the same people who you hate for making ridiculous claims about the Patriots team as a whole. Yet you believe them about Randy?

Cassel had a dog of a game against SD, it wasn't just Moss. Those throws were off target. And I can remember at least one play where Moss was wide open and would have had a TD if Cassel had just gotten the ball to him. Instead he got tunnel vision and either ate a sack or threw it away. Hannah's point is well taken, but it was the whole team losing/screwing the pooch in San Diego, don't just target Moss. That's unfair.