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  1. MoLewisrocks

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    Interesting, he saw it as some of us did... Maybe this week he can comment on the OL and pass blocking...

    And for the record, Randy said there was some real look in the mirror individual soul searching that went on in the aftermath of watching the the SD game film.

    “Last week, Moss is running down the field, the ball is coming, and he never lifted his arms for the ball,” Hannah said. “At some point in time, if you see that ball, you’ve got to jump for it. You’ve got to grab it. You’ve got to take it away from the other guy. I don’t think our receivers as a whole - (Wes) Welker fights for everything he gets - but I think a lot of our speed-type receivers are spoiled by Brady. . . . They have to go up and take it away from the other guy because (current starter Matt) Cassel can’t put it in your hip pocket.”

    “I don’t know if it’s that, but you get into habits, and habits are hard to break,” said Hannah. “I don’t know. He may be hurt. Maybe he’s got a bad ankle. Maybe he’s got a bad knee. You don’t know. That could be it. They’re not going to broadcast on the wires if they’ve got an injury.

    “You know the problem, but you can only guess at what causes that problem.”




    John Hannah makes a point to Randy Moss - BostonHerald.com
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    good post. I tried arguing this point with my dad the other night, and he just wasnt buying into it. Maybe he'll listen to Hannah. :eek:
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    Let's not get into this ridiculous argument again with the "Moss doesn't try hard enough"...blah blah blah....sheeesh...
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    I mustve missed that in the article. I didnt see anything about him not trying :cool:
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    Right in front of you Bub....

    “At some point in time, if you see that ball, you’ve got to jump for it. You’ve got to grab it. You’ve got to take it away from the other guy."...
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    "I play when I wanna play" - Randy Moss before he became a Patriot



    Just because he doesnt openly say stuff like that anymore, it doesnt change his state of mind.

    Hence, one week he has 22 yards, the next week he has 122 yards. He has the skill to get 122 every game though.
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    And you dont think the quality of the QB plays has anything to do with this??? Goood lord man...the man can't throw himself the ball now can he???
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    Yup, and besides who is Hannah and what the hell would he know...

    It's pretty simple. If you want to make this work, it's going to take a team effort and the veterans have to go above and beyond. Tonight we saw that. Need to see it consistently. Time to quit sniffling about Tommy and figure out what you need to do to help THIS team win.
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    Yup...I believe this game was the perfect template for the team...if they are able to do this every games...they should be okay...great defense...sick running game...get ahead by a TD or so...dont place too much preasure on Cassel...let him manage the game...
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    sorry, I must be reading in spanish. Whats right in front of me, does not say he wasnt trying. It simply says he didnt catch the ball. Personally, I don't think he put in the effort on that pass that he should have. However, I'm not going to start posting that Randy isnt trying.
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    That is exactly it!!!

    If anyone has watched Moss for his entire career like I have...he plays effortless...this will always be miscontrude in some people's eyes that he doesn't put effort in some of his plays...case in point...his second TD for this game...did he look like he was trying???...to me he seems to glide to the end zone...it didnt looked like he was very fast...but the mph gauge said otherwise...I probably wont change anyone's mind but thats just my 2 cents...
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    So, um, I think we're kind of on the same side here :confused: sorta:D
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    My Humble Opinion (TM):

    His mood fluctuates rapidly. A couple of times this year he moped but the rest of the time he's done a good job for this team.

    I just wish it wasn't so obvious when he is moping.
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    Yeah...but I think alot of people mope when their team is loosing. Moss is a great moper!!! LOL...maybe thats why the cam is always on him...

    All I know is atleast he doesn't scream his frustrations at his teamates and coaches unlike another elite receiver we know....hehehe...
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    you forgot a part, so i fixed it :D
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    Of course, Troy Brown said exactly the opposite about the play but clearly the best guard ever to play for the Pats is more an authority on WR play than the best WR ever to play for the Pats.
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    link please
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    Doesn't Moss keep his arms down until the last second so that the DB doesn't know the ball is coming? I think I've heard that once or 10,000 times before.
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    He does. On the play in question, I believe he was doing that, but when turning to look for the ball, he had to see the CB right there with him. I just felt he should have turned around and tried to fight for it, but I don't know crap :D
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    No link. It was on TV last week, whatever they call Fox NE Sports Tonight these days.
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    damn. I miss all the good stuff living down here. I need to move back home. :(

    what else did he say? anything worth mentioning?
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    Yes he does. When he catches it, it is a great play. When he doesn't, he's dogging it apparently.
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    I thought he did that in an attempt to disguise that the ball was coming? But yeah, as it approaches, and the defender is still locked on, I suppose you have to gets those arms out there and try and make the snag.
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    Hannah must have his TV muted when he watches games because it's been said over and over and over again by analysts that when a pass is coming towards Randy's way, Randy waits for the last minute to open up his hands for the ball to drop in. The CBs have their backs turned and looks at the receiver's reaction to see if the ball is coming or not and if the receiver is showing that the ball is coming too soon, that gives them the opportunity to make a play. That's why it looks like Randy is nonchalant when the ball is thrown his way. This is when the CBs have their backs turned. If you've watched Moss play at all, he does go after the ball at it's highest point when it is a jump ball situation, or when he and the CB are both looking at the ball coming.

    I've heard this sooooo many times and I'm not paid to watch football yet Hannah makes this comment. It's a silly and uninformed comment.
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    I think it's a pretty valid one. Last night was the most intense we've seen him play in a while, and I thought the exact same thing as Hannah on the play in question.
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    Hannah's comments are pointless and off-base. What does he know about going up and making a play on the football? I respect your posting quite a bit and would more often than not defer to you, but I find your support of Hannah's comments downright puzzling given how negative they are, and I find Hannah's comments unnecessary and grossly unfair to Moss.

    Troy Brown was on Comcast Sports Net and said that Moss was doing exactly what he should have done, which is not to give away where the ball was in the air, particularly since it was underthrown.

    Brown flat out said that Moss did his job and that Cassel underthrew and poorly threw a bunch of balls. You just have to take his word over Hannah in this instance. Honestly, Hannah's opinion on Moss' ball skills is no more valuable than yours or mine, but Troy Brown's is.

    After Cassel's strong performance last nite, I think we can look back without the need to sugarcoat his poor performance in San Diego. He played poorly last week, he played great last nite. Moss did his job in both games, as he has every week this season.
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    Hannah is correct, and it's always good to hear from a player who has the stones to call it as they see it.
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    You're expecting Moss to throw the ball to himself?? He can't do everything! He needs a QB who can give it to him.
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    Brown just announced his retirement from THIS team. He's not going to go the Ted Johnson route of trying to make his bones in his new gig by making a potentially incendiary comment about the #1 WR on this team. But I recall that same player (among others) making some effort catches for a first year starter in 2001, the kind he could be trying hard and still not have been expected to make and it would have been technically on the QB had he not... In fact I see WR's save QB's bacon regularly in this league.

    I don't think Moss has been dogging it per se, but like Ian said there was a marked elevation in his intensity last night. He said himself in the post game that watching film of the SD game was a revelation for them last week and led to a lot of individual re-evaluation of their own performances and the need to ramp them up. He needed to adjust to the FACT that Tom Brady isn't throwing him that ball this season, Matt Cassel is and his work in progress throws may be slightly off the mark compared to his HOF mentor. The team has to adjust to that across the board and make some less than ideal circumstances work or they aren't going to be successful.

    The broadcast crew, who get to sit with Bill for game prep, also noted last night that one of Bill's themes to them this week when discussing the offense was to accept the fact that Brady isn't coming back, and that player is the rare exception you can't replace and expect to entirely replicate. Ergo, everyone's expectations for Cassel need to be adjusted to accommodate reality. It sounded like Jaws and Terico took that message to heart last night judging from much of their developing QB commentary.

    And for the record Fred Smerlas (I know another big ugly) and Christian Fauria (a TE) said much the same thing on the post game last week.
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    In last nights press conference Randy said they watched film of the SD game and saw the mistakes they made. It seems to me that they corrected a number of their mistakes. I had a great time watching the game last night.
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