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Holmgren and Coughlin over Fisher? Are you mad?
 
I would absolutely choose Holmgren over Coughlin and Fisher.

in a landslide victory
 
Holmgren and Coughlin over Fisher? Are you mad?

Holgrem = 3 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Ring
Coughlin = puts together teams that score points. his team is 1 game away from Super Bowl. Fischer = Wild Card losers
 
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Here is my top 6, BB and the other 5

1 is BB
2, as as much I hate him, I put Jeff Fisher. Look at what he has done with the way the roster had turned over since 2003-2004.
3, Gruden. Look at his work in Oakland and Tampa
4, Del Rio. Isn't afraid to take risks, see the Leftwich cut, and I think once his team gets a legit WR threat, either one of the current ones step up or via draft, this team could be the next big threat to us.
5. Dungy. This is about right for him. Good coach, doesn't learn from mistakes though, see every year when he shuts his team early and they usually never recover for the playoffs.
6. Reid. Philly usually competes every year.
 
Re: Belichick the best coach EVER?

I saw Lombardi's GB teams play...man, he was a GREAT coach

Halas was before my time

Today's coaches? I mean I'm biased but BB HAS to be in the top three anyway...I think he's the best but Walsh has to get his props and Parcells too
 
Dungy is a clear #2. He's built a defense that has been outstanding successful despite only having a few top-notch players. And the offense has continued to click and mature under him as well.

Gruden has done pretty well given the lack of help he's had in the draft.

Hmm. My top 3 are also the 3 most recent Super Bowl winners among active coaches. What a coincidence!
 
Re: Belichick the best coach EVER?

For a lot of these discussions, we need to distinguish between

"Best"
"Greatest", and
"Most successful"

BB knows and can do pretty much everything Bill Walsh did, or even Bill Parcells the motivator. And he certainly knows VASTLY more than Paul Brown, George Halas, et al. He's a better coach than any of them.

Does that make him "greater" than Walsh or Halas? Not necessarily.
 
Nothing like bringing a 14-2 team to 11-5. Coach of the year.

I guess you would rather win a few more regular season games and lose in the first round?

Norv is 12-2 in the last 14 games including two playoff wins and beating the SuperBowl champs on their home field when it mattered.

Norv this year has outperformed Marty of last year.
 
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Hehe all you guys who picked Gruden should drop by the Bucs message board sometime and ask them what they think.

1. BB
2. Fisher
3. Coughlin
4. Del Rio
5. Holmgren

Up & Comer: Ken Whisenhunt
 
No matter one's rankings, I have to say your question draws attention the poor coaching epidemic sweeping through the NFL.

I'd say it is less to do with poor coaching and more to do with poor team management as a whole. Coaches are given far too little time to get the team culture and their system in place. The majority of the teams in this league have a GM in charge of personnel decisions who is at times saddling the coach with poor picks that undercut his ability to get anything done.

The reason we saw better coaching in previous decades is because coaches had more than 2 seasons before they were on the hotseat.
 
Evaluating coaches is tough because so much of their performance has to do with the owner, GM, director of player personnel, scouting, and injuries. In spite of all that, I do firmly believe that Tony Dungy is over rated as a head coach. I think that with the players he had in Tampa Bay, that team should have annually made it deeper in the playoffs when he was there and probably should have gone to the SB a couple of times. His game decisions tended to be overly conservative and though his players profess their love for him, they seem to come up unfocused and poorly prepared more often than not. That Buc team won less games than the year before for three straight years, but as soon as he's gone they win the SB? Dungy is given credit for turning around that franchise, but that is more due to a change in ownership and Jerry Angelo than Dungy. Don't forget that in Dungy's last three playoff games with Tampa Bay, his team did not score one single point on offense. Zero points in three straight playoff games!!!!

In Indy, he walked in to a head coach's dream: a very good team that had just under acheived with a terrible won - loss record the previous season, with good players added to the roster. The team had nowhere to go but up and had a roster that included one of the leagues's best QB, RB, and WR. It would take an incredible amount of futility to screw that up.

On the other hand look at Jeff Fisher. The team was not very good last year, lost several players to free agency, was not in a good cap position, and was expected to be one of the five worst teams in the league. In spite of that, he gets the Titans to the playoffs; to me that's a very good head coach.
 
Yeah Fisher is a good coach you never hear much about. I know a lot of people here don't like him because they think he takes cheap shots but I guarantee that if we didn't have BB and Fisher was our coach people would love him. He always puts a tough physical team on the field that always gives you a fight.

I remember in 2003, a lot of people were looking towards the AFCCG and evaluating a possible matchup against the Colts. I was more worried about getting past the Titans. They always give you a tough game.

Tom Coughlin has really impressed me this year. He looks like a genius now by playing all out in that last game against the Pats. Everyone was saying he should rest his players and it turns out he did the right thing. He found a way to inspire that team and it has carried over. I hope he makes it to the SB, I would love a rematch.
 
After BB, it would have to be Holmgren, Andy Reid, Dungy, Gruden and Fisher. I don't know whether Dungy is the defensive genius everyone claims to be but his system is perhaps the most widely copied scheme in the league and gotta give him credit for that. Fisher has been around since Oilers days I think and if someone is around that long, he must be doing something right. I don't know how much personnel input he has with his team but he seems to squeeze all the talent he can get from his limited team.
 
This is an interesting question--reading King this morning, someone emailed him about a "golden age" of coaching, and I didn't think much of it. But presented this way, who really is a top coach? Suddenly, to me, the number drops a LOT.

Dungy, whatever his failings in the post-season (and they are real) is a good coach who puts his team in the position to succeed. Holmgren I guess is pretty good--

Never been a Dungy fan not in Tampa or in Indy......my opinion is Dungy cost his team the game Sunday with the call to go for it on 4th and goal with over 2mins to go and with time outs......sorry that was a bad bad bad call.....second anytime a coach allows a player on the field to over rule him he in my book is not much of a coach.
 
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Belichick
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Next Level:

Jeff Fisher
Mike Holmgren
Andy Reid
Mike Shannahan
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Next Level:

John Fox
Tony Dungy
Tom Coughlin
Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden
Mike McCarthy
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Next Level:

Marvin Lewis
**** Jauron
Brian Billick (Fired)
Gary Kubiak
Lovie Smith
Sean Payton
Joe Gibbs (retired)
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Next Level:

Brad Childress
Mike Nolan
Ken Wisenhunt
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Next Level:

Mike Tomlin
Eric Mangini
Scott Linehan
Rod Marinelli
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Next Level:

Lane Kiffin
Norv Turner
Cam Cameron
Wade Phillips
Jack Del Rio

(No Record to grade: Emmitt Thomas)
 
I guess you would rather win a few more regular season games and lose in the first round?

Norv is 12-2 in the last 14 games including two playoff wins and beating the SuperBowl champs on their home field when it mattered.

Norv this year has outperformed Marty of last year.
The Chargers STILL haven't won as many games as they did last year.
Putting last year's playoff loss on Schottenheimer is unfair.
 
Putting last year's playoff loss on Schottenheimer is unfair.

How so? Marty is the crown king of regular season success and post season letdowns. This wasn't something new to his tenure with SD either, look back at the teams he had in KC that were the #1 seed yet got bounced out of the playoffs by Harbaugh and the Colts for just one example.

I really think Norv Turner is a bad coach but for a NE fan of all people to be discounting post season success is silly. We're fans of a team that wins when it counts-the playoffs. Give Norv his due at least in this one instance he has definitely done more than Marty did.
 
How so? Marty is the crown king of regular season success and post season letdowns. This wasn't something new to his tenure with SD either, look back at the teams he had in KC that were the #1 seed yet got bounced out of the playoffs by Harbaugh and the Colts for just one example.

I really think Norv Turner is a bad coach but for a NE fan of all people to be discounting post season success is silly. We're fans of a team that wins when it counts-the playoffs. Give Norv his due at least in this one instance he has definitely done more than Marty did.

Marty didn't make Marlon McCree give up the ball. That's all I'm saying.
 
Marty didn't make Marlon McCree give up the ball. That's all I'm saying.
yeah sure, marty didn't make the browns choke either did he?

some coaches are just playoff cancers, and marty is their king lol
 
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