Statistical evidence Colts favored by Refs

[Joker]

I'm thinking starts with a P and ends in an N with OLIA somewhere in the middle..close?

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Statistical evidence Colts favored by Refs...No doubt about it

your supposed to have complete possession of the ball all the way to the ground and it got stipped before he was down, therefore an incomplete pass...everybody is so convinced the refs are helping the Colts that every single time there is a call like that, everybody goes nuts

um, no. you have to have possession all the way to the ground on sideline plays, forceouts, etc. Not when you catch a ball with both feet on the ground, turn to run, get hit and fumble on the way down. don't mind you sticking up for your guys, but try not to make up stuff and present it as fact.

The thing that bothers me is that they took a correct call on the field and substituted an incorrect call after review. That should never happen. I'm sure Troy Polamalu would agree. That embarrasing episode helped lead to the demise of the whole "making a football act" travesty. I doubt anything good will come from this one I'm afraid.

 

[Buchanty]

Every team has bad calls against them, and usually the fans are quite outspoken on message boards immediately after the game. Some of the calls are 50/50 but every so often a really bad call gets a lot of attention. I just wonder how many times the Colts boards have fans complaining about bad calls against the ponies.....let me guess that the number is small or non-existent. The absence or low number of bad calls yet again suggests that the Colts are beating the odds....

I am still waiting to witness a bad call against the Colts, having seen many over the years with at least a few for almost every other team.

Cant wait for Polian to resign - then Karma can collect its due.

 

[indycolts685]

Every team has bad calls against them, and usually the fans are quite outspoken on message boards immediately after the game. Some of the calls are 50/50 but every so often a really bad call gets a lot of attention. I just wonder how many times the Colts boards have fans complaining about bad calls against the ponies.....let me guess that the number is small or non-existent. The absence or low number of bad calls yet again suggests that the Colts are beating the odds....

I am still waiting to witness a bad call against the Colts, having seen many over the years with at least a few for almost every other team.

Cant wait for Polian to resign - then Karma can collect its due.

The Chargers game had alot of bad calls against the Colts including a quick whistle that cost us a touchdown or at least a FG...I didn't complain about it because we played so bad in that game we didn't deserve to win anyway..

 

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Statistical evidence Colts favored by Refs...No doubt about it

your supposed to have complete possession of the ball all the way to the ground and it got stipped before he was down, therefore an incomplete pass

It's not all the way to the ground it untill he as two feet down on the ground. I didn't watch the game but if what you say is right and his feet were down then it should have been a fumble. Oki just saw the paly on the highlights it was clearly a fumble.

 

[PatsSteve1]

The Chargers game had alot of bad calls against the Colts including a quick whistle that cost us a touchdown or at least a FG...I didn't complain about it because we played so bad in that game we didn't deserve to win anyway..

IMO, bad calls are often like turnovers. And you have to overcome turnovers and will anyway. That's not to say I don't care about bad calls. But there isn't much you can do about them after they happened.

 

[Hok]

IMO, bad calls are often like turnovers. And you have to overcome turnovers and will anyway. That's not to say I don't care about bad calls. But there isn't much you can do about them after they happened.

Key difference is that turnovers are your own fault, bad calls aren't.

 

[Buchanty]

The Chargers game had alot of bad calls against the Colts including a quick whistle that cost us a touchdown or at least a FG...I didn't complain about it because we played so bad in that game we didn't deserve to win anyway..

The whistle was an unfortunate incident, not a bad call. It didnt cost the Colts a TD or FG as the whistle also stopped the chargers from pursuing. As it so happened the right call was made, ie it was an interception.

Yes there were calls in that game that were 50/50 (which homers are always going to say were bad), but there were none that were clearly bad enough for other team's fans to agree with Colts fans that they were robbed.

The Polomalu interception in the AFCC game two years ago is an example where everyone including fans of most NFL teams (even some Colts fans) agreed the call was really bad.

I am not sure it is favoritism, but calls favoring the Colts happen with enough regularity to annoy a large number of fans from many different teams.
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[SteelerSteve]

It helps me understand that what I see on the field (the Colts getting away with murder) can be backed up by stats.

You believe what you want.

I'm a witness to this guilt, the officials literally robbing a game ending int in the playoffs from my boy troy polamalu.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

They didn't call that a complete pass did they?

do you have a link to the video from this, thats kind of hard to tell because he could have dragged his foot and been in bounds..

What are you talking about? Since this guy has no weight on his right foot, unless he can levitate, there's no way that left foot "drags", as you so glibly put it.

More infantile logic from the Indy Colt Twilight Zone...

 

[indycolts685]

The whistle was an unfortunate incident, not a bad call. It didnt cost the Colts a TD or FG as the whistle also stopped the chargers from pursuing. As it so happened the right call was made, ie it was an interception.

Yes there were calls in that game that were 50/50 (which homers are always going to say were bad), but there were none that were clearly bad enough for other team's fans to agree with Colts fans that they were robbed.

The Polomalu interception in the AFCC game two years ago is an example where everyone including fans of most NFL teams (even some Colts fans) agreed the call was really bad.

I am not sure it is favoritism, but calls favoring the Colts happen with enough regularity to annoy a large number of fans from many different teams.
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You mean the INT when the Colts and Steelers played in the 2nd round of the playoffs? Yeah that was a horrible call and the ref that reviewed it and said it wasn't should have been fired on the spot..

 

[indycolts685]

What are you talking about? Since this guy has no weight on his right foot, unless he can levitate, there's no way that left foot "drags", as you so glibly put it.

More infantile logic from the Indy Colt Twilight Zone...

A picture isn't true justice on whether a call is right or wrong, but I do remember this play and he clearly was out and they reviewed it and got it right.

 

[DaBruinz]

The Colts are GUILTY!


of being more disciplined.

If you REALLY believe that, come down to New Mexico.. I have 50,000 acres of beach front property on the Gulf to sell you..

 

[shirtsleeve]

Don Shula served on the rules committee and his teams were always among the least penalized in the NFL.

Check out what Wikipedia says about this...

Quote:Shula's teams were consistently among the least penalized in the NFL, and Shula served on the Rules Committee, to help change the game to a more pass oriented modern league.

Sound like someone else we know?

Two things strike me as I read this thread.

First, do the Colts fans really, truly, believe that their team is that much more disciplined than the entire league? Or are they remaining blissfully ignorant by choice?

Second, and more importantly, it just struck me that we sit here and blame Polian, and hate him for his obvious influence if not outright manipulation of the league's officials. Yet we criticize fans of other teams who hate BB similarly and call him a cheater. We quickly point out that their anger and hatred should be internalized to their own team, owner, and coaches for not committing the effort needed to produce a consistant winner. Kind of a doouble standard.

I, for one, will try to abstain from this misdirected anger in the future. It seems clear to me now that all it takes to obtain this influence not only with the officials, but with rule changes that change the face of the game, is to place an executive on the rules committee and keep him there. I am now and forever angry at Robert Kraft for every game that Indy has a rules or officiating edge over the Patriots. I blame him and him alone for not assigning his son, Jonathan to this post. The Patriots have the capital to wield at least as much influence as that Blow Hard Polian in such a committee. Dont like these obscene officiating injustices that we have shoved down our throats every single week? Get Mad. Get Real Mad. But get mad at the person who can actually change this situation and restore justice. Polian is doing an outstanding job for his team. Who is representing us to neutralize that puke? You tell me.

 

[alamo]

Don Shula served on the rules committee and his teams were always among the least penalized in the NFL.

Check out what Wikipedia says about this...

Sound like someone else we know?

Citing Wikipedia as an authoritive source for something like this which has no clearly verifiable facts is comical. Wikipedia is user-edited, and it ostensibly strives for a neutral point of view but often fails. Anyone, *anyone*, can edit what they want and unless someone else cares enough to change it it will sit there looking official. I could change that entry to read "Don Shula served on the rules committee and his teams were always among the least penalized in the NFL due to his policy of paying for Miami Beach prostitutes to service visiting referees" and it would be accepted until someone decided to change it.

 

[FilPats]

Can anybody do a more detailed statistical analysis for all the teams. This could a statistical impossibility, a clear case of anomaly. The NFL should look closely at this. If cameragate got a quick and decisive response, this deserves a response.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

No matter the difference, this argument is not statistically valid. There are too many unknowns and you can't use an "eye test" to support a statistical argument. It's an argument but not a statistically valid one.

 

[maverick4]

The reason why this is very suspicious is you can use a similar method for any other sport, like in the NBA look at how many free throws your team has shot and how many your opponent has shot, usually it is about equal when you look at cumulative numbers.

To have only HALF as many penalty yards shows that refs are hesitant to call penalties on the Colts unless it's totally blatant.

 

[reflexblue]

I know what my eyes tell me. But I still had to check it out for myself.

Every Monday morning when I read the paper, it seems like the box scores show the Colts getting called for far fewer penalties than thier opponent.

What I do know about the Colts is that they are a fast defensive/offensive team, but they are well-documented as to having given up size for speed.

Common sense tells me that speed is helpful in skill positions but in the trenches, there is no substituting strength and brute force. Yet somehow, the Colts manage to be rarely called for holding. But as we have all witnessed, the Colts game plan every game is to hold as much as possible. It is truly shocking what they can get away with.

So, I dug up the last 10 games the Patriots played this year and what the penalties were and the last 10 games the Colts played and thier penalties.

Here is what I found:

Patriot Penalties 54 for 516 yards

Patriot Opponents 60 for 466 yards


Colt Penalties 36 for 235 yards

Colt Opponents 57 for 505 yards

This is a massive difference. It speaks for itself. I have not had the time to look into what the each NFL team has been penalized to this point but this is clearly favoratism. I would be willing to bet that a statatician would say that things balance out over the course of a season but this can only be explained as an anomoly. Or, statistical proof that the Colts are being helped by the refs.

First every coach,or GM meets with the officiating crew prior to the game. In the Colts case its Polian who meets with the officiating crew. Im sure other gm's do also but I doubt any of them carries the wait of Polian.
Second since Indy's O+D lines are smaller,lighter it only stands to reason that when faceing a a larger, stronger O+D lines that Indys linemen would have to start holding at some point. The shear wgt advantage of an Oline like Jacksonville would have to wear the smaller D line of Indy down. Its common sense.Thats why one of the reasons for wgt classes in boxing,the larger stronger fighter would have an advantage over the smaller, lighter, faster opponent. And what would the smaller fighter do? He'd hold just like the Indy line does. Theres no magic trick that Indy employes they hold, the laws of physics say they have to.

 

[alamo]

To have only HALF as many penalty yards shows that refs are hesitant to call penalties on the Colts unless it's totally blatant.

No, it doesn't show that. That's your explanation, it's not a fact. Too many people here cite their opinions as if they can be supported by facts.