Lombardi believes Pats will trade Garoppolo to the Browns

[jimnance]

Not saying that the Pats should do it, but what if the Pats decided to trade Brady instead of JG. What could they get for him?

Shut your mouth. No go wash it out with soap. 2nd thought, you didntcsay that , you typed it. Ok go scrub your fingertips with coarse sandpaper and lye. Then hold them over a flame. And may god have mercy on your soul

 

[mosi]

Matt Cassell was traded for what, a fourth or fifth rounder after a 16 game season where he went 10-5 wth 21 TDs and 11 interceptions. I think his contract situation is similar to JG. Expect a 5 round pick.

 

[BelichickFan]

Matt Cassell was traded for what, a fourth or fifth rounder after a 16 game season where he went 10-5 wth 21 TDs and 11 interceptions. I think his contract situation is similar to JG. Expect a 5 round pick.

Cassell went for the first pick of the second round (Vrabel thrown in). He was also with a team that went 16-0 the year before.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Take from that what you will. I would hope that it would be for a first.

Goondell says no.

 

[sevengables_2207]

I do not want to see JG traded because I believe he is the heir apparent.

However, for high draft picks (including a #1 that could be used on Myles Garrett) I dare say that could be too tempting to resist.

 

[RobertWeathers]

NFL is a crazy place where sometimes Bradford goes for a 1st. So, it isn't too far out there to suggest JG could be dealt to a QB deprived team holding many quality picks in 2017.

Having said that : JG is making SUPER reasonable money next year. Yes, there is then the risk he will be more difficult to move in 2018, but that needs to be a consideration.

Cassel for Chung. Then Chung leaves a "semi-bust". Then Chung returns and makes that trade great again. You never know what you'll get.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They could get a very sad fan base. I really like JG but they'd better not trade Brady.

They will not trade TB12 to CLE.

That would be the ultimate insult.

 

[BelichickFan]

They will not trade TB12 to CLE.

That would be the ultimate insult.

They aren't trading Brady to anyone, that was my point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do not want to see JG traded because I believe he is the heir apparent.

However, for high draft picks (including a #1 that could be used on Myles Garrett) I dare say that could be too tempting to resist.

If it's two #1s or #1 and a #2nd it would be irresponsible not to do that deal.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They aren't trading Brady to anyone, that was my point.

At least not next year.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Selling Jimmy G is not a luxury, it is a necessity.

The Jimmy G auction will allow NE to replenish at positions that require premium talent / replace pricey open market difference makers jettisoned in the past 8 months.

That's a bit of an overstatement. Could we haul a bigger return if he were traded this off-season? Sure. But there's no pressure on our salary cap if we kept him for the 2017 season. His cap hit is negligible.

I agree that a #1 Overall draft pick is pretty damn tempting...but I would not mind keeping Jimmy for insurance, in case something happens to Brady.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Matt Cassell was traded for what, a fourth or fifth rounder after a 16 game season where he went 10-5 wth 21 TDs and 11 interceptions. I think his contract situation is similar to JG. Expect a 5 round pick.

Cassel's not even a more talented player than jimmy.

 

[TBR]

Cleveland gets: Garoppolo + Pats 1st & 3rd rounders

New England gets: #1 overall + Cleveland's 2nd rounder (33rd overall)

 

[scout]

Matt Cassell was traded for what, a fourth or fifth rounder after a 16 game season where he went 10-5 wth 21 TDs and 11 interceptions. I think his contract situation is similar to JG. Expect a 5 round pick.

JG was drafted in the second round and has produced. My question isn't actually what compensation the Patriots will receive but your analysis.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

PUT DOWN THE BONG
Not geting #1 overall pick.
A 2nd in 2017 (1st pick of 2nd round) and a 1st in 2018 would be max from Cleveland
Even that is high
Likely if CLE would be 2017 2nd plus 2 other non-1st round picks, one in 2018

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

PUT DOWN THE BONG
Not geting #1 overall pick.
A 2nd in 2017 (1st pick of 2nd round) and a 1st in 2018 would be max from Cleveland
Even that is high
Likely if CLE would be 2017 2nd plus 2 other non-1st round picks, one in 2018

Keep in mind that Cleveland has 2 first round picks this year, theirs which is likely to be #1 and the Eagles pick in the Carson Wentz trade likely to be anywhere from #8-15. I could see JG getting traded for the Eagles pick AND a first in 2018 or swap first round picks in 2018,..
Trader Bill would take a high first and if it's not the player he wants, turn it into multiple picks...

 

[anditsgood]

PUT DOWN THE BONG
Not geting #1 overall pick.
A 2nd in 2017 (1st pick of 2nd round) and a 1st in 2018 would be max from Cleveland
Even that is high
Likely if CLE would be 2017 2nd plus 2 other non-1st round picks, one in 2018

that is close to what i said (minus McDaniels)

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Cleveland gets: Garoppolo + Pats 1st & 3rd rounders

New England gets: #1 overall + Cleveland's 2nd rounder (33rd overall)

That's a heist...but I would not settle for anything less than that!

 

[Bruins29]

PUT DOWN THE BONG
Not geting #1 overall pick.
A 2nd in 2017 (1st pick of 2nd round) and a 1st in 2018 would be max from Cleveland
Even that is high
Likely if CLE would be 2017 2nd plus 2 other non-1st round picks, one in 2018

Exactly. Some of you are nuts.

MC won 11 games and he was traded to a desperate team with Mike Vrabel for only a second rounder. Granted it could have been a favor for Pioli and Vrabel was more of a cap casualty.

JG is only 1 year younger than MC was when he was traded and threw for 3700 yards and 21 TDs. JG has looked nice so far and could be a great QB but there is no definitive proof he will be.

Would I love the Pats to fleece someone for a 1st and second? sure, but I doubt that is happening.

Also, I dont see JG as the future here. TB aint goin nowhere. TB will be playing here at least 3 more years and playing well enough to win. I mean he was playing better this year than in 2007 for cripes sake. He isnt giving up HIS job to anyone and the Patriots arent stupid enough to trade TB.

JG is 25 and he is going to want his shot to make some big money somewhere. The pats are not going to want to pay him big bucks to sit on the bench.

 

[patfanken]

JG is gone after this season, for all of you who are still pining for that smile, get over it. That being said, JG is a great prospect, but not the #1 pick in the draft good. However the Browns also have the Eagles pick, which looks now like it's going to be somewhere around the middle of the round.

Years ago I read a draft analysis that has stuck with me. It states that in most draft there are 5-7 players who have elite physicial gifts. Then there are about 20 other guys that can be clumped together as the next step down. By the time you get into mid 20's you hit the next thermocline of players from about 25-60, and so on down the line.

Now of course the earlier you pick the better, regardless, but sometime I wonder if after you get past the top 5 players or so, there is little to choose from there to middle 20's in the quality of player you are getting, and by the time you get wo where the Pats usually pick, you are chosing among the best of the 2nd round quality picks.

Armed with this strategy, the Browns first pick in the 2nd round is almost as valuable as their Eagle's pick. So in my mind the best strategy would be to grab the top 2nd round pick this year and wait a year for a first or another high second.