NFL executives offer their take on the Patriots and the trade possibilities for Jimmy Garoppolo

[patman52]

I prefer to use draft value points cause even though i don't believe in them 100% it is a much clearer mathematical indicator of value then just saying "1st" or "2 1st"

I have said before and will say again. 3000 draft value points is my starting spot. I would never go below that and likely would want more to feel comfortable making any deal... Really I'd be looking for 4000.

If a team does not want to pay it I will happily keep him. The last thing i want to do is trade him for less value then that and we let what turns out to be a 10+ year franchise QB go for horrible value.

BTW just for people who don't know here is a draft value chart

Draft Trade Chart | ProFootballTalk

3000 for instance is either the first overall pick (I would look to trade it for multiple first) or 3 #16 overall picks.

Assuming Cleveland get #1 or #2 That could make sense for a partner with potential sweeteners. A team from 3-10 is harder to work out but possible. In the mid rounds IDK who would be there but one of those teams could use a QB I am sure.

You are spot on in referring to value in draft points. I have no where near that value on him. I have him worth around the #10 pick in the draft. He is only signed for one year then the new team will have to pay 5 and 80 at min form him. While a top 5 1st rd pick may not be as ready as Jimmy you have him for 5 years for 1/2 that.

My guess is going to be the Bears for their 2nd this year, the trade comp from Bennett and a 1st next year.

 

[slash83]

No team is giving up 2 1st round pucks for a qb with 6 quarters of play.

 

[Sciz]

Can't trade Jimmy. Bradys 's got two years of high level play left, then Jimmy takes over. QBs are the hardest position to fill and happens to be the most critical for a football teams success, we've already have seen Jimmy play at a high level in this system, why would we give him up?

Garoppolo is a free agent in 2018. There are plenty of scenarios where he's starting for a different team in 2019 and you get a lot less than if he had been traded in 2017.

 

[Tunescribe]

I don't think JG wants to carry a clipboard for 5 more years. He gets a say too.

Where does this idea of five years come from? If you think Brady is playing five more years you've got another guess coming.

 

[deroc5050]

Barring Injury I honestly feel like Brady could play at a high super bowl caliber level until he is 43. He has not fallen off with his game 1 bit. They have to trade Jimmy G. I don't want to trade him but its most likely the right decision.

But just to be sure I would keep him until the end of 2017 then franchise him, then deal him. Just in case Brady gets hurt real bad.

 

[deroc5050]

Where does this idea of five years come from? If you think Brady is playing five more years you've got another guess coming.

Honestly its possible with Brady.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If someone offers two firsts for Jimmy, the Pats should take the picks and run.

I don't see the point of planning for life after Brady before he's shown even the slightest sign of decline in performance.

 

[The Gr8est]

Jimmy G isn't a sure thing.

This is true, however, Jared Goff is.

 

[Grizzafted]

just as a fan of the patriots id prefer to see as many possible years of brady until he falls apart and dies, im willing to deal with the repercussions of that just on the lottery ticket chance that we see him win a ring at 43

 

[BradyFTW!]

No team is giving up 2 1st round pucks for a qb with 6 quarters of play.

Osweiler got a $72M contract based on playing kinda ****tily for 5 games. Anything is possible in this QB market.

 

[IllegalContact]

Who have the Pats had at QB under Brady? Cassel? He was a guy who hadn't thrown a ball in a real game not in a blow out since high school.

Matt Cassel showed he could be a decent starter in this offense when he clearly is a very limited QB. So let's not go overboard.

Cassel never looked like Garoppolo even though he had access to the most prolific offense in history at the time.

Garoppolo still has the best qbr half of football this year.....he showed more in 6 quarters than cassel ever did

He may not be Brady, but he's the closest to it we have ever seen

 

[BradyFTW!]

In 1993, a lot of Dolphins fans wanted their team to cut Dan Marino loose so they could move forward with Scott Mitchell.

 

[Bradyking12]

Brady texted somebody saying hes playing until 2025

 

[Rob0729]

Cassel never looked like Garoppolo even though he had access to the most prolific offense in history at the time.

Garoppolo still has the best qbr half of football this year.....he showed more in 6 quarters than cassel ever did

He may not be Brady, but he's the closest to it we have ever seen

Cassel was a seventh round pick who hadn't thrown a pass in a meaningful game since high school before he took over for Brady in 2008. He didn't look like Garoppolo because he wasn't a very talented QB. Yet, the Pats made him look like a decent enough starter.

So what if Garoppolo's first half was the best first half by any QB this year. You do realize Nick Foles is tied for first in NFL history for most TD passes in a single game with 7. Why don't the Pats just sign Foles next year and trade Garoppolo? The Chiefs are going to cut Foles because his cap hit next year is $10.4 million.. Problem solved. If not Foles, Matt Flynn is tied for second for most TDs in a game.

If you don't get my point, one game doesn't mean much.

And you do realize that the Pats have had four QBs start a game in the Brady era. Not exactly a big sample size to compare.

 

[NashuaPats]

I don't think JG wants to carry a clipboard for 5 more years. He gets a say too.

I agree. If he's still a backup here two years from now because the team franchised him, I could see a problem develop. No one wants to waste years of their prime sitting on the bench.

 

[NashuaPats]

just as a fan of the patriots id prefer to see as many possible years of brady until he falls apart and dies, im willing to deal with the repercussions of that just on the lottery ticket chance that we see him win a ring at 43

I'd like to see it too and think there's a chance he could play well into his 40s. When I think of QBs that played into their late thirties and forties, they looked hobbled in their last few years. Favre and Elway were always limping, but could put it together on the field. Marino looked beat up, Testaverde who played until he was 44 looked beat up. Manning could barely throw the ball his last two seasons. Meanwhile Brady looks good as ever and insists over and over that he feels better than he did in his twenties. None of those other guys dedicated their work out program and diet to stay healthy the way Brady does. So why couldn't Brady play another four or five years? I want to see if he can do it and I want to see it with him in a Pats uniform.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

They modified the offense for him. All you have to do is look at how run oriented they were with him vs. they are with Brady.

To say it was the exact same offense is not true. They ran a large portion of the offense, but not everything.

He made a lot of great reads, but a lot of the time he had wide open receivers.

While there is always a "base playbook", to say that the offense doesn't get modified to compliment the strengths of the quarterback would just be bad coaching. A Bledsoe offense looked different from a Brady offense which looked different from a Cassel, etc. the main difference with Garrapollo/Brisette is that the team was expecting the return of Brady in a few games so it was never really "their" team, unlike Cassell and Bledsoe.

PS. I wonder what the Tim Tebow modified playbook must have looked like...

 

[slash83]

Osweiler got a $72M contract based on playing kinda ****tily for 5 games. Anything is possible in this QB market.

I agree with what you're saying and see your point that anything is possible. Different scenario though Houston didn't trade any picks for Brock, just the big contract. To acquire JG a team would have to shell out picks and a big contract, but like you said anything is possible these days.

 

[Bledsoehasaring]

Im no football genius but if you were gonna keep jimmy g you dont draft brisset so high. Just my opinion and i think its fairly obvious. If jimmy g was the future you keep him trade brady and draft a 4-5th rounder to develop.

 

[carmelo15]

Browns fans have been laughing me off for offering Jimmy G for a 1st and two 4ths