Jimmy's Value

[RobertWeathers]

I used to be proud of the football acumen found on this site, but after reading the last 3 pages of this thread, I'm wondering if I didn't wander through a dimensional portal and this site turned into a version Felger and Mazz.

Fact: I it was awesome that JG has played so well for 5.5 quarters

Fact: It should be noted that Ryan Tannyhill's last 2 quarters was just as good as Jimmy's first 2 quarters. Anyone ready to replace Brady for Ryan Tannyhill???????

EVERY NFL QB who has played has had great games, yet very few have had great careers. A 2 game snap shot doesn't play well in the long term. That is not to say JG isn't going to have a great career. But the FACT is whether he does or not is very much up in the air, no matter how good a start this has been.

Does anyone on this site ACTUALLY believe that Jimmy Garapolo is a better QB, right now than Tom Brady? In fact does anyone believe that JG will be better than Brady over the next 2 years after this one?

Fact: The Pats CANNOT trade Tom Brady for the next 2 years because of the cap hit that would entail, and even though the cap hit we'd take in the 3rd year is better, it is STILL significant.

Fact: JG is going to be a FA days after the 2017 season ends.

Both the timing and cap logistics of keeping JG just don't make sense for the Pats both short and long term. Unless Brady just hits a wall, which is extremely unlikely, given his arduous preparations. JG is NOT going to be a better QB for the Pats over the next 3 years. And anyone who thinks otherwise just wrong. (no offense).

The best current example of short term QB success is none other than Colin Kapernick. For one glorious season he literally carried the 49er offense into a superbowl he almost won single handed. The league soon caught up to him and now he can't beat out Blaine freakin' Gabbert. This is a league that, once it gets a book on you, will expose EVERY flaw in your game.

And then there is the Jacoby Brissett factor. I would contend that, that although I am horrified that he's likely going to start on Thursday, he is MUCH further along in his development than JG was in his rookie year. Now that's not JG's fault, but more a product of their college backgrounds and experience. But the fact remains.

So who is to say that JB isn't going to be as good a QB as JG when TC comes in 2018 and he still has 2 more years to run on his contract.

So Trading Jimmy NOW just makes too much sense. Chicago, Cleveland, LA, Washington, etc, are ALL who would love to get someone who shows as much potential as JG, and still has a year on the cheap. JG would be a far smaller risk with just as much upside as ANY kid coming out of college in the draft. It would be well worth the multiple draft picks it would take to get him.

And the talk about trading or releasing Brady, is just for those fans who think anyone who is not on the Pats is better than what we have, and constantly start threads when ANY WR gets released (no offense. ) In other words it's just stupid.

The only teams in 2017 that will want a QB are CHI, CLE NYJ, SFO and maybe DEN. If traded, Jimmy is not going to DEN, NYJ and CLE will most likely have the #1 pick. Not sure where the Bears will finish. They might have a top 10 pick.

DET needs to make a hard decision on Stafford. His cap # is $22m but his hit if off the team is $5.5m.

 

[Rob0729]

Andy Dalton with Bill coaching him wins SBs.

Yeah, an Andy Dalton isn't that hard to find. I would rather take the draft picks draft a Dalton type of QB (or maybe Brissett is that guy) and pick up 2-3 more impact players to boot.

 

[rochrist]

Yeah, an Andy Dalton isn't that hard to find. I would rather take the draft picks draft a Dalton type of QB (or maybe Brissett is that guy) and pick up 2-3 more impact players to boot.

Well I, for one, think he's probably going to be better than Dalton, but you're missing the point. Dalton brought up in the Pats system with Bill coaching him isn't Dalton.

 

[borisman]

The only teams in 2017 that will want a QB are CHI, CLE NYJ, SFO and maybe DEN. If traded, Jimmy is not going to DEN, NYJ and CLE will most likely have the #1 pick. Not sure where the Bears will finish. They might have a top 10 pick.

DET needs to make a hard decision on Stafford. His cap # is $22m but his hit if off the team is $5.5m.

Don't forget Jax. Bortles may not be the answer there but too early to give up on him? Maybe.
Romo in Dallas may be done (though Prescott has shown some skills). Same with Palmer in 'Zona.
So Cleveland and San Fran may battle it out for Jimmy G. if they're not sold on Watson (I'm not) and/or whoever else.
Cleveland also has Philly's 1st rounder, in case they want to take Garrett 1st overall, so I'd take that pick off their hands.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Don't forget Jax. Bortles may not be the answer there but too early to give up on him? Maybe.
Romo in Dallas may be done (though Prescott has shown some skills). Same with Palmer in 'Zona.
So Cleveland and San Fran may battle it out for Jimmy G. if they're not sold on Watson (I'm not) and/or whoever else.
Cleveland also has Philly's 1st rounder, in case they want to take Garrett 1st overall, so I'd take that pick off their hands.

I don't see JAX dumping Bortles after this year.

I think DAL loves Prescott

 

[Fencer]

In two weeks we'll probably have a much better idea of how we'd feel about losing Jimmy G's backup services for next season.

If there is a trade in early March, I think the price isn't super high. E.g., the Pats could set a price of "Swap firsts, also swap seconds, and now let's haggle about a conditional pick to sweeten the deal or us."

 

[Rob0729]

Well I, for one, think he's probably going to be better than Dalton, but you're missing the point. Dalton brought up in the Pats system with Bill coaching him isn't Dalton.

We have no idea if he is better, worse, or the same level as Dalton. The guy is still an unknown. We have no relevant sample size to judge him. He could be elite or a flash in the pan.

I get your point. I am just saying that Dalton isn't a special, one of a kind QB that is worth passing on a great trade of draft picks.

I think a lot of the top 10 QBs in this league could win a Super Bowl with Belichick. That is my point. I think if Belichick is offered a top 1-5 pick in 2017 along with possible another first and/or second, he could get his QB to go to the Super Bowl (possibly Brissett is that guy).

Before Sunday, there were few people who thought it would be crazy to pass on a trade that included multiple picks that included a first rounder. Nearly two quarters later, people think it would be crazy to trade him for virtually any amount of draft picks.

Three years ago, everyone thought the pocket QB was a dying breed and Luck, RGIII, and Colin Kaepernick were going to be the elite QBs in this league. RGIII is probably done. Kaepernick is a back up. Luck is regressing.

So I am not going say based on six quarters that Garoppolo is going to be that elite QB who will replace Brady and give the Pats another 10-15 years of elite or at least great QB play.

 

[rochrist]

We have no idea if he is better, worse, or the same level as Dalton. The guy is still an unknown. We have no relevant sample size to judge him. He could be elite or a flash in the pan.

I get your point. I am just saying that Dalton isn't a special, one of a kind QB that is worth passing on a great trade of draft picks.

I think a lot of the top 10 QBs in this league could win a Super Bowl with Belichick. That is my point. I think if Belichick is offered a top 1-5 pick in 2017 along with possible another first and/or second, he could get his QB to go to the Super Bowl (possibly Brissett is that guy).

Before Sunday, there were few people who thought it would be crazy to pass on a trade that included multiple picks that included a first rounder. Nearly two quarters later, people think it would be crazy to trade him for virtually any amount of draft picks.

Three years ago, everyone thought the pocket QB was a dying breed and Luck, RGIII, and Colin Kaepernick were going to be the elite QBs in this league. RGIII is probably done. Kaepernick is a back up. Luck is regressing.

So I am not going say based on six quarters that Garoppolo is going to be that elite QB who will replace Brady and give the Pats another 10-15 years of elite or at least great QB play.

I have a feeling some guys here will be calling him a complete unknown after he's been a starting QB for 3+ years.

 

[Brady6]

Well I, for one, think he's probably going to be better than Dalton, but you're missing the point. Dalton brought up in the Pats system with Bill coaching him isn't Dalton.

You think he is better than Dalton? The QB who was 10-3 as a starter last year and had a 66% completion percentage and a 106 QB rating?

You need to slow down with the hyperbole.

 

[Brady6]

Don't forget Jax. Bortles may not be the answer there but too early to give up on him? Maybe.
Romo in Dallas may be done (though Prescott has shown some skills). Same with Palmer in 'Zona.
So Cleveland and San Fran may battle it out for Jimmy G. if they're not sold on Watson (I'm not) and/or whoever else.
Cleveland also has Philly's 1st rounder, in case they want to take Garrett 1st overall, so I'd take that pick off their hands.

Bortles are you OK? The guy threw for 4500 yards and 35 touchdowns in his second season.

Wow this Garoppolo hype train is out of control. Let's see if he can start 2 full games.

This is an absolute joke at this point this thread is filled with so more dreams then a bottle of Ambien...

 

[rochrist]

You think he is better than Dalton? The QB who was 10-3 as a starter last year and had a 66% completion percentage and a 106 QB rating?

You need to slow down with the hyperbole.

Yeah, as I said, he'll be a complete unknown until he has /at least/ five years as a starter under his belt.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I don't think people who are for trading Garoppolo think Brady is going to be here for more than a few years (3-4 at most). I think we feel people may be overrating Garoppolo based on two quarters.

I am for trading Garoppolo because I think someone will offer a stupid deal with two or more first rounders and other picks. Belichick will be able to potentially turn that into 4-5 solid starters.

I am not sold on Garoppolo being anything more than a good, not great QB. If he turns into say Andy Dalton quality, would you rather have him or say two firsts (one in the top 5) and a second?

I don't believe that at all. I am impressed with his poise in the pocket. His vision down the field. I know it's a small sample size but i love the kid's demeanor. I think he can be a type of Tony Romo QB hopefully minus the ints and injuries.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Bortles are you OK? The guy threw for 4500 yards and 35 touchdowns in his second season.

Wow this Garoppolo hype train is out of control. Let's see if he can start 2 full games.

This is an absolute joke at this point this thread is filled with so more dreams then a bottle of Ambien...

Need more games but i like the kid's moxy. People here need to smell the coffee when it comes to tommy. He won't play forever. I wish he could.

 

[Big Bucks]

When Jimmy's contract is up we will have to pay him and Brady 18-22 Million each. I don't see Belichick allocating 44 million of the salary cap to keep two quarterbacks.

If we went into the season week 1 with 44m then that would be a problem, thing is, Brady will be out of contract, he can sit on his couch and wait till the day before week 1 game to sign a nice contract, until then he sits with a vets min contract. So we would have all the way to August 15 (this seasons deadline) I believe franchise players need to be traded by thus giving us the cap and time to trade him.

Brady knows the score, if we actually go into the season with both then Brady gets his contract back loaded with the missed dollar until which Jimmy G gets traded.

 

[Brady6]

Yeah, as I said, he'll be a complete unknown until he has /at least/ five years as a starter under his belt.

Or at least more than 5 full quarters...[emoji849]

 

[Brady6]

Need more games but i like the kid's moxy. People here need to smell the coffee when it comes to tommy. He won't play forever. I wish he could.

It's not about him playing for ever it is about a guy being unable to make it through 2 full games without ending up at Mass General inspiring enough confidence in people that they are sacrificing a year of a still good Tom Brady.

This thread is an example of why car dealers encourage test drives. People love new things and get overly excited and buy on emotion.

 

[supafly]

If we went into the season week 1 with 44m then that would be a problem, thing is, Brady will be out of contract, he can sit on his couch and wait till the day before week 1 game to sign a nice contract, until then he sits with a vets min contract. So we would have all the way to August 15 (this seasons deadline) I believe franchise players need to be traded by thus giving us the cap and time to trade him.

Brady knows the score, if we actually go into the season with both then Brady gets his contract back loaded with the missed dollar until which Jimmy G gets traded.

Brady's cap hit will be 22m dollars when Garoppolo's contract is up at the end of next season.

 

[supafly]

Bortles are you OK? The guy threw for 4500 yards and 35 touchdowns in his second season.

Yeah, JAX may have issues but Blake Bortles isn't one of them. As a matter of fact, they're continuing to build up a nice offense around him.

 

[Big Bucks]

Brady's cap hit will be 22m dollars when Garoppolo's contract is up at the end of next season.

My mistake thought they were free agents at same time.

 

[Gronk]

Yeah, JAX may have issues but Blake Bortles isn't one of them. As a matter of fact, they're continuing to build up a nice offense around him.

They don't have it all together yet, but Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns (23 and 24 years old), whoo boy. Good couple guys for Bortles to throw to for...ever.