Blecker is at it again, defending the wall!

[letekro]

My point? My point has been that you don't know what you are talking about. You've yet to put up a cogent response that comes close to what reality is..

Your claims have been that:
The Wells report was Factual.
The Wells report contained no lies.

Both those statements of yours are false. The reality is that the Wells Report was filled with misinformation and numerous outright lies. Yet, you keep banging the drum that it's some how a legitimate document. It's one of the biggest pieces of fraud that the masses of this country have been subjected to since the ACA was passed by Congress. The fact that you can't comprehend that is mind-blowing. The fact that you have continuously defended it is absurd.

In the past few weeks, you've gone out of your way to defend it, while at the same time attacking the credibility of a lawyer who not only wrote an Amicus Curiae brief, but also filed notice with the 2nd Circuit that the NFL's lawyer had lied. What's laughable about the 2nd part is that the NFL's lawyer DID lie. Point blank. And it wasn't just Blecker who caught it. Steph Stradley, another lawyer, caught it and also filed notice with the 2CA. Numerous other lawyers caught it. Including one out of the 5CA who, at first, thought it was bogus, but then back-tracked when he saw the transcripts from Brady's testimony compared to what was said.

Yet, you keep yammering on like you know wtf you are talking about. The reality is that you're not even on the same planet when it comes to this topic.

Sir (Madam?), your inability to comprehend the written word has grown tiresome. If you don't have a lie for me from the Wells Report, then I really care not for what you have to say. Since, according to you, there are "numerous outright lies" in the Wells Report, providing just one example should be a piece of cake.

And no, I never said the Wells Report was "legitimate", because I don't even know what that word means in this context. The Wells Report is a document that the NFL paid for that was written in a way to make the feeble minded believe that it was written from an independent, objective viewpoint. It is not, and was never intended to be. That doesn't mean it contains lies; rather, it contains facts, but presented in a way most favorable to the client (meaning most harmful to Brady, in this case).

 

[realtime]

Let's see. There are less than 1400 Harvard law students. So, that automatically means that there are going to be a small number of people doing these. Next, the topics are random each year. And with numerous specializations, that will weed down the numbers significantly. Further narrowing it down is that some topics also require a teacher recommendation. But, yes, it's faculty not wanting to "review dozens of random student papers in addition to their other teaching and research-related obligations" that makes it a very small number of submissions..

So, then you have the audacity to be condescending again about the prestige it brings a student who won it for their particular topic. Forget the fact that they are already close to the cream of the crop, but you can't even acknowledge that this award raises them up even slightly.

And you want to be taken seriously?

Madam (Sir?), your inability to comprehend the written word has grown tiresome.

My original comment that got your panties in a wad was as follows:

"The Oberman prize is sort of like winning an award for being the best left-footed long snapper in the NFL. It's not really that impressive in and of itself, but you are in the NFL, which is more than a lot of people can say."

This comment both acknowledges that Harvard students are "already close to the cream of the crop" (by analogizing attending Harvard to making it to the NFL) and acknowledges that the award "raises them up . . . slightly".

And thank you for finally acknowledging (although with a disappointing lack of specificity given your otherwise precise knowledge of Blecker's biography) that there is a "very small number of submissions" for this award that you find so impressive. The fact that there is one professor assigned per topic is only one piece of evidence that there are so few submissions. Another big reason, also noted in my post (although couched in "condescending" language that you were probably too offended to process), is that not many students are going to voluntarily write a paper in their 3rd year of law school when the prize is just $1,000 and the admiration of fan boys/gals on Patriots message boards.

I hope you are done filling this thread with your faux outrage. If not, please, please, PLEASE use the word "audacity" again in your next post. It makes you sound like the offended wife of a wealthy aristocrat (as in "I can't believe the help had the AUDACITY to set foot in the parlor") and, unlike the rest of your posts, is at least mildly entertaining.

 

[Pats2000]

Sir (Madam?), your inability to comprehend the written word has grown tiresome. If you don't have a lie for me from the Wells Report, then I really care not for what you have to say. Since, according to you, there are "numerous outright lies" in the Wells Report, providing just one example should be a piece of cake.

And no, I never said the Wells Report was "legitimate", because I don't even know what that word means in this context. The Wells Report is a document that the NFL paid for that was written in a way to make the feeble minded believe that it was written from an independent, objective viewpoint. It is not, and was never intended to be. That doesn't mean it contains lies; rather, it contains facts, but presented in a way most favorable to the client (meaning most harmful to Brady, in this case).

You sound like you're trying to be the queen of semantics...the facts that were presented were based on several lies by exponent and by omission of data.

 

[Ring 6]

You sound like you're trying to be the queen of semantics...the facts that were presented were based on several lies by exponent and by omission of data.

It is all semantics.
Is it a lie to do calculations assuming the temperature that was never recorded in the refs locker room is different at half time than before the game?
Is it a lie to turn a confident answer from the ref about which gauge he used into "it's possible I could have" and then "prove" he used the one he says he didn't?
Is it a lie to misrepresent the length of the gauges and bend in the needle in the photos?
Is it a lie to say you don't want the phone then say the owner of the phone was not cooperative by not turning it over?
Is it a lie to not recognize that you started with 12 balls 2 were removed from play but you still have 11 to measure?
Is it a lie to deny rain impacts psi?
Is it a lie to have testimony from the person a text was sent to about what it meant which corroborates the testers version and conclude its not credible then create a meaning that you consider credible with no evidence whatsoever?

Perhaps semantically these (and many others) may not be lies but they certainly are a dishonest and deceitful representation of the facts which 99% of humans would consider to be the same thing, semantics aside.

 

[RunAmok]

The lies start on page 1 of the Wells Report:

"It was prepared entirely by the Paul, Weiss investigative team and presents the independent opinions of Mr. Wells and his colleagues."

Lie #1: "The report was not prepared entirely by Paul, Weiss". It was clearly documented that NFL counsel Jeff Pash was involved in the editing.

Lie #2: "presents the independent opinions" - It has been proven that the report was not independent.

 

[letekro]

The lies start on page 1 of the Wells Report:

"It was prepared entirely by the Paul, Weiss investigative team and presents the independent opinions of Mr. Wells and his colleagues."

Lie #1: "The report was not prepared entirely by Paul, Weiss". It was clearly documented that NFL counsel Jeff Pash was involved in the editing.

Lie #2: "presents the independent opinions" - It has been proven that the report was not independent.

Of course, I was looking for lies about the evidence of the case, but technically, you are correct, these are "lies" found within the "Wells Report." I'm sure Wells would argue that both are true statements, although, as I have repeatedly said, since before the Report was issued, there was no way this Report was going to be independent, at least not completely. Thanks for at least responding with concrete examples, clearly presented.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Honestly I have no idea what you're talking about - really not a Big Ten fan but if you say Norfleet is good I believe you

I assume this is a long way of saying that Blecker is among the best out of a bad law school?

I know it certainly SOUNDED impressive that he graduated with honors and received the Oberman Prize for his thesis on the philosphy of sport - and I know his work in prisons is highly regarded, but again he's no Brandon Norfleet I expect

I really had no idea that Harvard was that poorly regarded a law school. It must just have a good undergrad reputation still because people talk like it's a big deal to graduate from there, especially with a Law Degree though maybe that Oberman Prize is something of a joke too?

The Ivies (IMO) are hard to get into but not as hard to graduate from (at least as an undergrad). To wit:

Substantiating Fears of Grade Inflation, Dean Says Median Grade at Harvard College Is A-, Most Common Grade Is A | News | The Harvard Crimson

The median grade at Harvard College is an A-, and the most frequently awarded mark is an A, Dean of Undergraduate Education Jay M. Harris said on Tuesday afternoon, supporting suspicions that the College employs a softer grading standard than many of its peer institutions.

Harris delivered the information in response to a question from government professor Harvey C. Mansfield ’53 at the monthly meeting of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences.

“A little bird has told me that the most frequently given grade at Harvard College right now is an A-,” Mansfield said during the meeting’s question period. “If this is true or nearly true, it represents a failure on the part of this faculty and its leadership to maintain our academic standards.”

Harris then stood and looked towards FAS Dean Michael D. Smith in hesitation.

“I can answer the question, if you want me to.” Harris said. “The median grade in Harvard College is indeed an A-. The most frequently awarded grade in Harvard College is actually a straight A.”

It's like the University of Lake Wobegon.

 

[ReverendMaynard]

I get the feeling that before this thread is over graduating from Harvard will be akin to getting your GED and the Oberman prize will be a charitable contribution given to the worst student who submits a paper, so they don't fee too bad about themselves.

 

[IllegalContact]

The Ivies 2 primary characteristics are perception and networking....and oh yeah, endowments

there's no larger book of facts that the Ivies have to provide superior academics.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

New York Law School, according to USA Today's School Rankings, is tied with 11 other schools at #111 out of 149. They also didn't publish the rankings for 76 other law schools..

Your condescension of the Irving Oberman Memorial Prize makes me wonder if you know anything about it..

Though Blecker is a Professor at NYLS, he was a Fellow at Harvard previously.
We also shouldn't ignore that Blecker is a former Special Assistant Attorney General for the State of NY and NY State Office of Special Corruption prosecutor.

But yeah, let's listen to you and @letekro about his qualifications because you two are the bee's knees when it comes to critiquing the credentials of a lawyer..

I'm waiting for you two to start complaining about Steph Stradley since she's a blogger..

Okay, I'll admit that NYLS is a bullsh*t law school (I went there so I know) but, frankly, the whole profession is pretty much bullsh*t.

 

[letekro]

The Ivies 2 primary characteristics are perception and networking....and oh yeah, endowments

there's no larger book of facts that the Ivies have to provide superior academics.

Perception (i.e., prestige) and networking are enormous factors. "Academics", whatever that is, is far less important when it comes to law schools. If there is something you really want to learn, you can do it at virtually any decent school.

 

[IllegalContact]

Perception (i.e., prestige) and networking are enormous factors. "Academics", whatever that is, is far less important when it comes to law schools. If there is something you really want to learn, you can do it at virtually any decent school.

right.....that's what I said

 

[realtime]

Perception (i.e., prestige) and networking are enormous factors. "Academics", whatever that is, is far less important when it comes to law schools. If there is something you really want to learn, you can do it at virtually any decent school.

Agree. Perhaps the only difference in "academics" among decent law schools is that occasionally a fellow student will have a uniquely perceptive and interesting insight, etc., during a class discussion that neither the professor nor any other student would have ever thought of. Those type of insights rarely happen -- maybe a few times per semester at most -- but they are perhaps more likely to happen at an "elite" law school than a less highly rated one.

 

[zydecochris]

The Ivies (IMO) are hard to get into but not as hard to graduate from (at least as an undergrad). To wit:

Substantiating Fears of Grade Inflation, Dean Says Median Grade at Harvard College Is A-, Most Common Grade Is A | News | The Harvard Crimson


It's like the University of Lake Wobegon.

I get the feeling that before this thread is over graduating from Harvard will be akin to getting your GED and the Oberman prize will be a charitable contribution given to the worst student who submits a paper, so they don't fee too bad about themselves.

Are we really arguing that Harvard Law School is not an excellent law school? According to US News it is second ranked after Stanford.

Explore the 2017 Best Law Schools

Regarding the grade inflation thing at Harvard (note it was for Harvard college, not Law School), that is a problem with all universities right now (I deal with it myself).

• As the price of a college education skyrockets, students take out gigantic amounts of student loans.
• Those that flunk out are saddled with a gigantic student loan burden, but with no degree. That is very bad for them.
• For universities, a poor graduation rate reflects badly on the university. Furthermore, the university loses the tuition from that student that flunks out.
• Thus, there is pressure to improve "retention rates". There is much noise about special preparation programs and so forth, but there is an unspoken pressure to pass more students. Hence, the grade inflation.

 

[zydecochris]

Perception (i.e., prestige) and networking are enormous factors. "Academics", whatever that is, is far less important when it comes to law schools. If there is something you really want to learn, you can do it at virtually any decent school.

I couldn't agree more about how if there is something you want to learn, you can do it at any reputable university, it doesn't have to be Ivy League. I received my Ph.D. from a State University myself (and am a professor at another one).

However, it would seem to me that the networking factor (and the importance of being in the Harvard "Old Boys Club" would be more important, rather than less in the law profession. Is that not the case?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Are we really arguing that Harvard Law School is not an excellent law school? According to US News it is second ranked after Stanford.

Explore the 2017 Best Law Schools

Regarding the grade inflation thing at Harvard (note it was for Harvard college, not Law School), that is a problem with all universities right now (I deal with it myself).

• As the price of a college education skyrockets, students take out gigantic amounts of student loans.
• Those that flunk out are saddled with a gigantic student loan burden, but with no degree. That is very bad for them.
• For universities, a poor graduation rate reflects badly on the university. Furthermore, the university loses the tuition from that student that flunks out.
• Thus, there is pressure to improve "retention rates". There is much noise about special preparation programs and so forth, but there is an unspoken pressure to pass more students. Hence, the grade inflation.

No, I was addressing the idea in prior posts that excellent lawyers could only come from the top five schools. My point was that comes down to who got into those schools essentially. I don't agree that the pool of talent that produces excellent legal minds is limited to five schools.

 

[zydecochris]

No, I was addressing the idea in prior posts that excellent lawyers could only come from the top five schools. My point was that comes down to who got into those schools essentially. I don't agree that the pool of talent that produces excellent legal minds is limited to five schools.

Certainly I would agree with that.

 

[realtime]

No, I was addressing the idea in prior posts that excellent lawyers could only come from the top five schools. My point was that comes down to who got into those schools essentially. I don't agree that the pool of talent that produces excellent legal minds is limited to five schools.

Agreed. As just one example, a large percentage of the best and smartest lawyers I have ever met attended BU law school. Fine school, but well outside the consensus top 5 (and even top 10) law schools.

 

[Jlaff]

is that not many students are going to voluntarily write a paper in their 3rd year of law school when the prize is just $1,000 and the admiration of fan boys/gals on Patriots message boards.

I can definitely say, that no matter what the topic, in 3rd year if I'm asked to write an additional paper (these things take extensive amounts of work btw), and the potential, again the POTENTIAL prize is $1,000, after paying get $80k a year to go there, my response is an immediate GFY.

 

[Jlaff]

The lies start on page 1 of the Wells Report:

"It was prepared entirely by the Paul, Weiss investigative team and presents the independent opinions of Mr. Wells and his colleagues."

Lie #1: "The report was not prepared entirely by Paul, Weiss". It was clearly documented that NFL counsel Jeff Pash was involved in the editing.

Lie #2: "presents the independent opinions" - It has been proven that the report was not independent.

And this wasn't enough right there to show legal bias? As in, the whole set of facts relied upon by the decision maker was tainted with bias, and therefore the determined facts were not reliable, and lost all relevance?

Oh right, they wanted to go the ultra technical route, those sorts of arguments are for the junior lawyers and laypersons.