Malcolm Butler

[BradyFTW!]

There is no way in hell the Pats are paying Malcolm $9m AAV at the end of this season. Wont happen.

Well no, because by the terms of the CBA I'm pretty sure they couldn't even if they wanted to. By the time they can extend him (after next season), they won't be able to for less than $9M per year barring a major injury or precipitous decline in play.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well no, because by the terms of the CBA I'm pretty sure they couldn't even if they wanted to. By the time they can extend him (after next season), they won't be able to for less than $9M per year barring a major injury or precipitous decline in play.

There seems to be some confusion.

As I understand it, MB's current deal expires at the end of 2016. In 2017 he will be a RFA.

My understanding is that the team can extend him at any time?

 

[Angelpats]

Allowing 87 yard Tds is part of the game. Other than that he played great but THAT still happened. If you want to have a bunch of long passes completed on your corner and excuse him because someone else should have made the tackle that's fine but the play still exists.


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What also DID happen was mccourty getting in the way of butler tackling his man.

 

[BradyFTW!]

There seems to be some confusion.

As I understand it, MB's current deal expires at the end of 2016. In 2017 he will be a RFA.

My understanding is that the team can extend him at any time?

My bad, I thought UDFAs couldn't be extended until after their third season, but it's actually after their second so he can be extended after this season.

Even with that caveat, Butler has almost no incentive to accept a long-term extension at $5M per year after this season. A realistic deal would preserve the final year of his rookie contract, then have ~$8M AAV in new money for 3-5 years after that. That's a significant discount from what he'd command on the open market, and you could probably get away with guaranteeing less than you normally would, and he'd likely take it anyway to get the signing bonus 2 years earlier.

 

[n6249c]

There is no way in hell the Pats are paying Malcolm $9m AAV at the end of this season. Wont happen.

Remember, it will not be the end of this season. It will be the end of next season. This is his second year, they can't extend him yet. Best case would be to extend him during the course of his third year, but I'm not sure they can do that.

 

[n6249c]

My bad, I thought UDFAs couldn't be extended until after their third season, but it's actually after their second so he can be extended after this season.

Even with that caveat, Butler has almost no incentive to accept a long-term extension at $5M per year after this season. A realistic deal would preserve the final year of his rookie contract, then have ~$8M AAV in new money for 3-5 years after that. That's a significant discount from what he'd command on the open market, and you could probably get away with guaranteeing less than you normally would, and he'd likely take it anyway to get the signing bonus 2 years earlier.

Sources please?

CBA specifies three year contract for UDFA rookies. That's last year, this year and next year. Have not been able to find anything about extending before their third year. That's when all other rookie contracts can be extended, as I understand it. Unless there is a special provision for UDFA rookies their contracts would be the same.

I'm not absolutely certain (i.e. have not read it in the CBA nor read Butler's contract myself) so if there is better information I'd like to know where to find it, please. TIA!

 

[BelichickFan]

Andy Benoit ‏@Andy_Benoit 7m7 minutes ago
If both CB's keep trending in direction they've been going lately, Butler will end up having the better season than Revis. It's close now.

 

[n6249c]

Sources please?

CBA specifies three year contract for UDFA rookies. That's last year, this year and next year. Have not been able to find anything about extending before their third year. That's when all other rookie contracts can be extended, as I understand it. Unless there is a special provision for UDFA rookies their contracts would be the same.

I'm not absolutely certain (i.e. have not read it in the CBA nor read Butler's contract myself) so if there is better information I'd like to know where to find it, please. TIA!

FOUND IT.

CBA, Art 7 Sect 3 (k): (ii) A Rookie Contract for an Undrafted Rookie may not be renegotiated, amended or altered in any way until after the final regular season game of the player’s second contract year.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Andy Benoit ‏@Andy_Benoit 7m7 minutes ago
If both CB's keep trending in direction they've been going lately, Butler will end up having the better season than Revis. It's close now.

I'm starting to think the NFL is truly rigged and Belichick writes the script

 

[RobertWeathers]

My bad, I thought UDFAs couldn't be extended until after their third season, but it's actually after their second so he can be extended after this season.

Even with that caveat, Butler has almost no incentive to accept a long-term extension at $5M per year after this season. A realistic deal would preserve the final year of his rookie contract, then have ~$8M AAV in new money for 3-5 years after that. That's a significant discount from what he'd command on the open market, and you could probably get away with guaranteeing less than you normally would, and he'd likely take it anyway to get the signing bonus 2 years earlier.

At a 5 year deal, if you include the last year of the rookie deal that about a ~1.4m per season difference.

$8m seems high for a player as a starter for only one year.

I agree that the CB market is ridiculously inflated.

Maybe I was wrong that $5m AAV for Malcolm might be too low?

 

[n6249c]

I'm starting to think the NFL is truly rigged and Belichick writes the script

if that's true he certainly found a way to motivate his 38-year-old QB this season!

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

How many times does everyone re-watch Butler's Super Bowl interception on a weekly basis? I'm down to just 4-5. Some nights I am too busy now.

 

[glm]

Allowing 87 yard Tds is part of the game. Other than that he played great but THAT still happened. If you want to have a bunch of long passes completed on your corner and excuse him because someone else should have made the tackle that's fine but the play still exists.


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If McCourtney didn't take a horrible angle and trip up Malcolm then it wouldn't have been an 87 yard td. 30 yard completion? Sure. 87 yard td? Nope.

 

[glm]

How many times does everyone re-watch Butler's Super Bowl interception on a weekly basis? I'm down to just 4-5. Some nights I am too busy now.

Just because of this comment, I'm about to go watch it a solid 12 times.

 

[n6249c]

At a 5 year deal, if you include the last year of the rookie deal that about a ~1.5m per season difference.

$8m seems high for a player as a starter for only one year.

I agree that the CB market is ridiculously inflated.

Maybe I was wrong that $5m AAV for Malcolm might be too low?

Depends on other factors. Contract length. Guaranteed money. Incentives.

I'd love to see Malcolm sign a five year extension with reasonable guaranteed money and enough incentives to bring it up to FMV if he stays healthy and continues to perform. I'd even be okay if the incentives moved it above FMV into the elite CB range (say, $10mm to $12mm total average annual compensation) if, and only if, Butler stays healthy and performs. Give him something like $6mm to $8mm per year guaranteed, for a five year deal, and sweeten the rest with lots of LTBE bonuses and incentives. Seems fair to all concerned.

I think the kid would go for it. Getting a $50 million contract at the end of this year would be one helluva jump from frying chicken! And for the team, it locks him up for as long as the league rules allow.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Just because of this comment, I'm about to go watch it a solid 12 times.

Don't forget the field view.

Field-Level Angle Of Malcolm Butler's Interception Is Amazing (Video)

 

[glm]

Don't forget the field view.

Field-Level Angle Of Malcolm Butler's Interception Is Amazing (Video)

Hell I might as well watch the fans reaction video while I'm at it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Hell I might as well watch the fans reaction video while I'm at it.

Now you're talking, buddy.

 

[1960Pats]

Don't forget the field view.

Field-Level Angle Of Malcolm Butler's Interception Is Amazing (Video)

The greatest defensive play in NFL history by a country mile... and a half.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Hell I might as well watch the fans reaction video while I'm at it.

Actually, why stop there? I think you can make some room in your work day to get in the entirety of Super Bowl 49.