2 Part Question: What, if anything, could Kraft have done?

[Off The Grid]

A good PR plan can do some things, bur Kraft doesn't own the league and he is bound by the consensus of 32 others and the mistake they created.

If the patriots choose to stay in the league they are currently dominating [best plan, in my opinion] then they are still inextricably bound to the bylaws and agreements, mostly financial, that their fellow owners and the mistake they appointed administrate.

If your plan is that our owner spit in the eye of the corruptioner and any other owners he dislikes, that leaves us with few options, seeing that the revenue sharing, media contracts, salary cap are still jointly held by the league.

There's starting our own league or trying to bring the league down in a lawsuit.

Given that removing him is an actual option, I don't think you've addressed what intentionally pissing off all the people you would need politically to do that, accomplishes.

That is a Fair Argument, Sir!! I thank you!!

01 ~ I certainly don't agree that starting a new League is an attractive Option.

02 ~ Nor am I proposing that we "bring down the League". That's your notion, Sir, not mine.

03 ~ Perhaps you've inferred that I was proposing to transcribe my words, here, into Public Statements. That is a reasonable Supposition, but not a correct one, and one you might've asked me about before assuming otherwise: I never proposed "pissing off" other Owners. We would certainly not disagree on that, you and I.

My approach would be to Call Them To Account ~ to challenge them.

That is a subtle Difference, but a crucial one in the Public Forum. Those Owners not supporting Goodel's Patriots Persecution could have nothing to complain about, and, having Consciences as most people do, would likely find themselves persuaded by said Consciences and by what I expect would be an increasing Public Outcry to not only put genuine Pressure on Goodel to retract his Atrocity...but to replace him.

Maybe not all of them, but enough to make a Difference.

And that's all we need.

If Goodel's Cabal can block our firing Goodel, then we can't do any harm, can we?

And if they can't block our firing Goodel, then it's pretty obvious that it's in our Best Interests to Expose The Truth, loudly, relentlessly, and every single day until we generate enough Support to do so.

Left alone, most people will just shut up and go along...which is precisely how Kraft allowed this to happen: By keeping quiet except for a few bleats and allowing the other Owners to bury their heads in the sand.

But if Truth is one side's Enemy, and the other side's Best Friend, the smartest decision that the latter can make is to expose it as loudly, extensively, and relentlessly as possible.

People do respond, and Great Change does happen, as History has shown thousands of times over the Years.

 

[rochrist]

Kraft's billions, hungry & capable lawyers, and the courts, would have been an excellent death cage matchup to the NFL ineptitude. and it's equally incompetent legal staff and consultants. Nobody will ever convince me he didn't roll over for the billionaires club. If you have evidence to the contrary, bring it on. Al Davis proved they (the NFL) are not immune to getting their faces pushed in regardless of what some by-laws say. As Judge Berman did, so would any court viewing the case that without evidence (admitted to by the NFL) a punishment for hearsay and innuendo was totally out of line. You are barking up the wrong tree defending Kraft on this one. The Emperor has not clothes, period.

Al Davis poured money into lawyers, got a measley settlement the first time, then ultimately lost when the league forced them back to Oakland and they got their asses kicked in court.

Plus, he was suing over issues that strike me as fundamentally different that what we're dealing with. He was suing over the right to move his franchise. This is about how the league is actually run, player conduct, etc.

 

[rochrist]

No Sir, he does it for the fans.,

Just so you know, his young squeeze has dumped him.

 

[RayClay]

That is a Fair Argument, Sir!! I thank you!!

01 ~ I certainly don't agree that starting a new League is an attractive Option.

02 ~ Nor am I proposing we "bring down the League". That's your notion, not mine.

03 ~ Perhaps you've inferred that I was proposing to transcribe my words, here, into Public Statements. That is a reasonable Supposition, but not a correct one, and one you might've asked me about before assuming otherwise: I never proposed "pissing off" other Owners. We would certainly not disagree on that, you and I. My approach would be to Call Them To Account ~ to challenge them.

That is a subtle Difference, but a crucial one in the Public Forum. Those Owners not supporting Goodel's Patriots Persecution could have nothing to complain about, and having Consciences, as most people do, would almost certainly find themselves persuaded by said Consciences and by what I expect would be an increasing Public Outcry to not only put genuine Pressure on Goodel to retract his Atrocity...but to replace him.

If the Goodel's Cabal can block our firing Goodel, then we can't do any harm, can we?

And if they can't block our firing Goodel, then it's pretty obvious that it's in our Best Interests to Expose The Truth, loudly, relentlessly, and every single day until we turn this thing around.

Left alone, most people will just shut up and go along...which is precisely how Kraft allowed this to happen.

But if Truth is one side's Enemy, and the other side's Best Friend, the smartest decision that the latter can make is to expose it as loudly, extensively, and relentlessly as possible.

People do respond, and Great Change does happen, as History has shown thousands of times over the Years.

Friends again? Many people have proposed challenging everything challenging thr league and the other owners or appealing to the public.

My position is, the public can't get rid of goodell, they don't have a vote.

Kraft does have a vote and 31 other owners have a vote. I want goodell gone. I think it would be counter productive to constantly bash the commissioner and the other owners in the press, then try to get the other owners, behind goodell's back, one by one, to try to fire him, or at least greatly limit his power until his contract is up.

I think our best public relations success is winning on the field and winning in the court room, both of which we are doing.

A lot of people hate politics, but free publicity showing you with your family, being successful, being attractive is the best shield against a smear and the electorate, in this case, is not the American people anyway, it's 32 rich guys.

 

[rochrist]

I hate to break your heart, pal, but I've been enjoying the answers a great deal in this Thread, one that has been rendered excellent by those who've chosen to join it. You, in fact, are the only one who I've been disagreeing with, it's quite obvious that it is you and you alone who's gotten into a twist.

Apparently it's beyond your capacities to understand that a Public Campaign can effect enormous Changes in The Land of the Free, as has been proven thousands and thousands of times.

And yet it's you that's throwing a temper tantrum and claiming that it's me that can't handle the Truth!!

You clearly wouldn't know Truth if it bit you on the Ass, pal.

It's called a Difference of Opinion. And it's pathetic that you can't have one without a Temper Tantrum.

Try acting like an Adult for a change, instead of lashing out like a 2 Year old with a Diaper full'f hot, steaming Poo every time someone has the temerity to disagree with you.

The trouble is, your public campaign would be waging war against a far large campaign to bring down the Pats, backed by every team that can't compete, and every fan of those teams.

The Pats win because they have pretty much the only truly great coach in the league, and Brady, and there's really little other recourse for them.

 

[reflexblue]

Just so you know, his young squeeze has dumped him.

Thanks for the infro, i don't keep up with these things. I'm sure the candy man will find another shortly.

 

[Off The Grid]

Friends again?

Sure. All I ask is that you refrain from attacking me instead of the Argument.

I was trying to Be Supportive of your Good Behavior.

 

[RayClay]

There are a handful of owners who seem to be in goodell's corner [and caesar thought he was just going to have routine press conference] and some, like Mara, have criticized him openly.

Every day, he's spending millions on investigations and lawsuits that don't help the league at all. Why would all the owners be satisfied? Some of them had to actually earn their money, most of them, I'd guess.

 

[rochrist]

You know what's more embarrassing to the other owners than all these shenanigans? Their teams being utterly unable to compete on a level playing field.

 

[RayClay]

That is a Fair Argument, Sir!! I thank you!!

01 ~ I certainly don't agree that starting a new League is an attractive Option.

02 ~ Nor am I proposing that we "bring down the League". That's your notion, Sir, not mine.

03 ~ Perhaps you've inferred that I was proposing to transcribe my words, here, into Public Statements. That is a reasonable Supposition, but not a correct one, and one you might've asked me about before assuming otherwise: I never proposed "pissing off" other Owners. We would certainly not disagree on that, you and I.

My approach would be to Call Them To Account ~ to challenge them.

That is a subtle Difference, but a crucial one in the Public Forum. Those Owners not supporting Goodel's Patriots Persecution could have nothing to complain about, and, having Consciences as most people do, would likely find themselves persuaded by said Consciences and by what I expect would be an increasing Public Outcry to not only put genuine Pressure on Goodel to retract his Atrocity...but to replace him.

Maybe not all of them, but enough to make a Difference.

And that's all we need.

If Goodel's Cabal can block our firing Goodel, then we can't do any harm, can we?

And if they can't block our firing Goodel, then it's pretty obvious that it's in our Best Interests to Expose The Truth, loudly, relentlessly, and every single day until we generate enough Support to do so.

Left alone, most people will just shut up and go along...which is precisely how Kraft allowed this to happen: By keeping quiet except for a few bleats and allowing the other Owners to bury their heads in the sand.

But if Truth is one side's Enemy, and the other side's Best Friend, the smartest decision that the latter can make is to expose it as loudly, extensively, and relentlessly as possible.

People do respond, and Great Change does happen, as History has shown thousands of times over the Years.

We just have a basic disagreement. The owners undoubtedly see the truth and some don't like it. I'd work thaty angle.

As far as the public knowing the truth? They don't have a vote, unless it is to stop watching the NFL and I don't see how that furthers anyone's goals. Boycotting NFL products and sponsors? Could have some effect, especially since that's what owners care about$

 

[Off The Grid]

The trouble is, your public campaign would be waging war against a far large campaign to bring down the Pats, backed by every team that can't compete, and every fan of those teams.

You assume a great deal, and you're almost certainly Dead Wrong.

Most Owners are Entrepreneurs who amassed Great Wealth in the Land of the Free.

Such folks don't tend to be Communists who fear Fair Competition, as your post suggests.

 

[RayClay]

You know what's more embarrassing to the other owners than all these shenanigans? Their teams being utterly unable to compete on a level playing field.

Not true. They can't compete on a slanted playing field. A handful of teams with the worst picks every year still dominate, to a large degree.

 

[Off The Grid]

As far as the public knowing the truth? They don't have a vote, unless it is to stop watching the NFL and I don't see how that furthers anyone's goals. Boycotting NFL products and sponsors? Could have some effect, especially since that's what owners care about$

None of that is anything I've proposed or that I disagree with.

 

[RayClay]

Sure. All I ask is that you refrain from attacking me instead of the Argument.

I was trying to Be Supportive of your Good Behavior.

I never attacked you. I attacked the notion that this situation could be resolved by staring somebody down. If you didn't say that, then I apologize.

 

[rochrist]

Not true. They can't compete on a slanted playing field. A handful of teams with the worst picks every year still dominate, to a large degree.

Level playing field being the field as it's designed to be played. No one objects to the Pats getting the worst picks every year, because that's the way the game is played.

 

[RayClay]

You assume a great deal, and you're almost certainly Dead Wrong.

Most Owners are Entrepreneurs who amassed Great Wealth in the Land of the Free.

Such folks don't tend to be Communists who fear Fair Competition, as your post suggests.

The league itself is socialist.

 

[RayClay]

Level playing field being the field as it's designed to be played. No one objects to the Pats getting the worst picks every year, because that's the way the game is played.

I was being sarcastic and reinforcing your point, which I agree with

 

[Off The Grid]

We just have a basic disagreement. The owners undoubtedly see the truth and some don't like it. I'd work that angle.

And only that angle.

We're both in fact looking to get this ultimately resolved in the BoardRooms ~ the only place it can ultimately actualize, obviously ~ but clearly disagree on the Value of a Public Campaign to drive it there.

Fair enough.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Kraft could have appealed. It would have been refused by Goodelle however it would disarm the comments of many opposing Fans and mediots who cite his surrender and insist that Kraft accepted the penalty and knew the patriots were guilty. More recently Kraft could do a far far better job publicly embarrassing Jets and others for their constant incessant whining after losing.
But he does nothing and now we know why, he is a major investor in fantasy football site and dares do nothing to hurt phony NFL image that might hurt his investment. He has placed growing his already substantial fortune far ahead of any obligations to the players his coach and the fans

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Most Owners are Entrepreneurs who amassed Great Wealth in the Land of the Free.

Such folks don't tend to be Communists who fear Fair Competition, as your post suggests.

You do realize the irony in saying that about owners in the most socialist major sport in the U.S., right?