Very thin @ CB.. Will a trade for an experienced CB be viable?

[BelichickFan]

They have to acquire some type of corner. I would be holding my breath if we suffer an injury in the cornerback position. I worry about not having that big corner with size.

I agree except for the size. Sure, bigger is better if it doesn't affect mobility (yes, I know what I said) but at the end of the day a solid CB, regardless of size, is all I want. Butler, Ryan, Coleman and the waiver guy scares the crap out of me against, say, Green Bay. Or even Pittsburgh or Cincy in the playoffs.

 

[Mack Herron]

I am skeptical about obtaining Smith, and not sure we want to. In fact, I am not sure we need to. Smith is certainly talented, but I actually like our starting three guys, each of whom is young and--importantly-- developing (as long as they are playing). I think they are talented and competitive now. Depth is an issue of course, as we have only the recently acquired Melvin, a taller player like Smith, as backup. Since we have not seen Melvin in our system, I'm not sure how much we can say about him. For all I know, he may be a fine CB4. Other positions of at least equal concern to me would be OT and RB. RBs are much easier to get than CBs and OTs, and I think we could use a power back who can compete with Blount. I will be interested to see how effective Blount can run tonight against a front that has been effective of late.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I agree except for the size. Sure, bigger is better if it doesn't affect mobility (yes, I know what I said) but at the end of the day a solid CB, regardless of size, is all I want. Butler, Ryan, Coleman and the waiver guy scares the crap out of me against, say, Green Bay. Or even Pittsburgh or Cincy in the playoffs.

I think that's what people are missing here. I think a guy like sean smith would be a great rental if the chiefs deal him. He can be a guy like Browner but he's more athletic and can cover.

 

[FourierSeries]

Whose offense are people afraid of?

Pittsburgh? They will have a potent offense when Big Ben returns, but I just don't see how they can come to Foxboro and beat Brady in a shootout. Brady has always had that defense's number.

Cincinnati? Andy Dalton in a postseason game?

GB? They have the 22nd ranked pass offense. Their offense has looked very average the past few weeks, and they would be playing outside of Lambeau. They aren't anything special outside of Lambeau.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I can't wait to see the game against the giants. They will face some wrs in that game

 

[Deus Irae]

Every year, we get a group of people who insist that the Patriots don't need to make moves. Every year, the Patriots make moves. Sometimes the moves work. Sometimes the moves don't work. That's life in the NFL. Either way, we discuss the situation, the moves and the results. That's life on a sports message board.

Smith would be a good 'risk', although BB would have to massage the cap a bit. Interestingly, to me, the Chiefs are playing another team with a CB that would be of interest (Lions/Mathis). BB may be more focused on getting a lesser CB or 6 more safeties, though.

 

[n6249c]

Every year, we get a group of people who insist that the Patriots don't need to make moves. Every year, the Patriots make moves. Sometimes the moves work. Sometimes the moves don't work. That's life in the NFL. Either way, we discuss the situation, the moves and the results. That's life on a sports message board.

Smith would be a good 'risk', although BB would have to massage the cap a bit. Interestingly, to me, the Chiefs are playing another team with a CB that would be of interest (Lions/Mathis). BB may be more focused on getting a lesser CB or 6 more safeties, though.

Of course. Safeties are used to give help to the CBs. The number of safeties on the roster proves BB sees our CBs as needing lots of help.

 

[Deus Irae]

Of course. Safeties are used to give help to the CBs. The number of safeties on the roster proves BB sees our CBs as needing lots of help.

Yes. It's actually an indictment of the CBs that this team is running out safeties as nickle and dime players.

On the positive side, it's also a testament to the team's comfort level with Harmon along the back end.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Every year, we get a group of people who insist that the Patriots don't need to make moves. Every year, the Patriots make moves. Sometimes the moves work. Sometimes the moves don't work. That's life in the NFL. Either way, we discuss the situation, the moves and the results. That's life on a sports message board.

Smith would be a good 'risk', although BB would have to massage the cap a bit. Interestingly, to me, the Chiefs are playing another team with a CB that would be of interest (Lions/Mathis). BB may be more focused on getting a lesser CB or 6 more safeties, though.

Can mathis still run with wrs? He's 35. I haven't seen his play this year.

 

[DaBruinz]

This year the lowest 3rd round compensatory pick received a 8.75M APY deal.
4th round - 6.6M
5th round - 4.025M
6th - 3M

Sean Smith is likely to get the Chiefs a 4th round pick, maybe a 3rd in 2017. If I were the Chiefs, I would not accept a 2016 6th rounder for Sean Smith when I can do much better in 2017.

Sean Smith won't get a deal offering him $8.75M/year.. He'll get one in the $6M. Range. And if we go by what teams have done with picks at the draft (trading a curring round for the next higher round the following year), you could assume a 2017 4th round pick would net a 2016 5th round pick..

 

[meatface]

It makes sense from our one sided "fan" based opinions of the team who wants him

It may not make the slightest bit of sense from Andy Reid's side, as he may be currently fighting for his job. There's also the fact that KC will have about 35 million dollars in available cap room next spring, so I have no idea why so many are assuming that the Chiefs won't be able to keep him, should they wish?

After all, they should be getting a relatively mid-high pick (as far as comp picks go), with something around a 4th-5th rounder, considering the CB market, his experience, talent level, size, and current rankings among credible sources. It would be all about whether they'd want to wait until next spring to get that comp pick, or whether or not someone offers something similar for this coming spring.

Yes fans often failt to see that while the team may not have much of a chance, the coach may be attempting to save his job with a strong finish. Rex was able to get the JEts to 8-8 a few years agp and save his job. In this case though Reid has nothing to do with it, John Dorsey is the Chiefs GM and he is the one who will make personnel decisions. If he feels his job is safe or is instructed by ownership to trade players then he will, but I have idea if he will or if Smith will be one of those players

 

[RobertWeathers]

The number of safeties on the roster proves BB sees our CBs as needing lots of help.

What do the CB's need help with?

 

[aluminum seats]

Whose offense are people afraid of?

Pittsburgh? They will have a potent offense when Big Ben returns, but I just don't see how they can come to Foxboro and beat Brady in a shootout. Brady has always had that defense's number.

Cincinnati? Andy Dalton in a postseason game?

GB? They have the 22nd ranked pass offense. Their offense has looked very average the past few weeks, and they would be playing outside of Lambeau. They aren't anything special outside of Lambeau.

The Pats could certainly beat anyone with the current group. I would like to see them make a move here, though. Doubt I'm alone.

 

[Marinlik]

Of course. Safeties are used to give help to the CBs. The number of safeties on the roster proves BB sees our CBs as needing lots of help.

We already have our actual safetys in Dmac, Harmon, Chung, Richards. I think that the new safeties are more about special teams. BB seems to like to use safeties there. They probably have a good mix of speed, size, strength, and tackling ability that he likes there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We already have our actual safetys in Dmac, Harmon, Chung, Richards. I think that the new safeties are more about special teams. BB seems to like to use safeties there. They probably have a good mix of speed, size, strength, and tackling ability that he likes there.

This and if any of them show promise as potential upgrades over Ebner and Wilson.

 

[The Brandon Five]

out of curiosity - what is their cap situation like? not just this year but on a going-foward basis? It seems at the surface that they are paying big $ for lots of players...Talib, Manning, Thomas, Ware, Miller, Ward, Sanders etc..

It would seem as if they are going to have to make some more tough decisions at some point (like with J. Thomas last year).

That said, I suppose we are paying quite a few people some serious money as well..

Denver has about $7.5 million in cap space (according to one site I found). Not sure that the site is up to the very high standard we are used to around here with @Miguel, but figure it's in that ballpark. I was pretty surprised. Don't know how it looks for the succeeding years, but for the sake of these trades it wouldn't matter since both Forte and Davis will be UFA's.

 

[captain stone]

What do the CB's need help with?

Covering WRs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Covering WRs.

Sure but why not acquire CBs that can cover?

There are only 4 on the current roster as opposed to the 283 safeties that they currently have.

Last year they ran with Revis, Browner, Arrington, Ryan and Malcolm.

Options
-Play DMC more CB
-Convert one of the current FS-types to a press CB

 

[captain stone]

I agree. Why Bill is claiming & signing useless, undrafted, unwanted Safeties is beyond any reason
whatsoever. Simply ******ed.

 

[lamafist]

Every year, we get a group of people who insist that the Patriots don't need to make moves. Every year, the Patriots make moves. Sometimes the moves work. Sometimes the moves don't work. That's life in the NFL. Either way, we discuss the situation, the moves and the results. That's life on a sports message board.

Smith would be a good 'risk', although BB would have to massage the cap a bit. Interestingly, to me, the Chiefs are playing another team with a CB that would be of interest (Lions/Mathis). BB may be more focused on getting a lesser CB or 6 more safeties, though.

And every year, we have people saying the Pats won't be a championship-level tean if the Pats don't make a big acquisition at X or Y position.

Last year, it was mostly interior o-line and outside receiver, iirc. And then the Pats make two minor moves for little-regarded linebackers, and go on to win the Super Bowl.

As fans, we tend to focus on need when it comes to making trades, when in reality, availability in the main determiner.