Aaron Dobson

[Marqui]

Sorry, but you haven't proven you do anything.. And your ridiculous exaggeration of my evaluation of Dobson shows you don't know wtf you are talking about. Dobson is our 3rd WR because there are better players ahead of him in Edelman and Amendola. And if you are inept enough to think that he's 3rd for any other reason than that, then you have no business claiming you know football what-so-ever.

One other thing. You've offered NOTHING to support your claims that Allen could work in the Pats offense other than your say so. You clearly don't understand how the Pats WRs route trees work and how they are required to make adjustments at the line based on what they see and that they're expected to make the same adjustment as Brady.

Dobson has played more snaps, has more catches, and has more yards than Amendola this year. He's this team's #2 WR right now.

 

[DaBruinz]

Dobson has played more snaps, has more catches, and has more yards than Amendola this year. He's this team's #2 WR right now.

Thank you for the correction and the useful information.

 

[Tuck]

How come Dobson isn't allowed a drop? Edelman dropped 3 and the general concencus is that he balled out, wich he did. Recievers drop balls. 6 of 7 for 82 is great for a third option.

Believe me I want the kid to be successful too.

Yes, a classic blunder committed by every WR ever. Turning upfield before the ball is secured. JE has done it. Welker did it. Gronk has done it.

I get what you are saying. I'm just saying Dobson does it a lot. More than gronk, Edelman and amondola.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dobson has played more snaps, has more catches, and has more yards than Amendola this year. He's this team's #2 WR right now.

No...

He's their only healthy pure outside WR. Big difference

 

[Ring 6]

None of that changes the fact that anyone with half a brain would choose Allen over Dobson 100 times over. He also runs a complex variation of routes out in San Diego and also did so when at Cal. Plain and simple, he's just a better player.

So Bill Belichick doesn't have half a brain?
You are way too stuck on fantasy football.

 

[DaBruinz]

No...

He's their only healthy pure outside WR. Big difference

So, the fact that Edelman and Amendola BOTH line-up outside on a regular basis has no bearing? In fact, one of the beat reporters showed that Edelman actually lines up more outside than inside..

The distinction you're making has no bearing on the conversation.. But thanks for making it..

 

[patchick]

If someone can say that they think Dobson is/was a better fit for NE then Allen would've been, then that person really doesn't know, or watch much football.

Maybe we just don't watch all our football in 20-20 hindsight. Nobody will deny that Allen has done far more in the NFL, but he was draped all over with red flags at draft time. He fell to round 3 because...well, I'll quote myself from 2013:

Allen's skills weren't in question, but just about everything else was. He had significant knee and ankle injuries, a flagged Combine drug test, and there were lots of reports of a bad attitude turning teams off in interviews.

 

[Deus Irae]

Maybe we just don't watch all our football in 20-20 hindsight. Nobody will deny that Allen has done far more in the NFL, but he was draped all over with red flags at draft time. He fell to round 3 because...well, I'll quote myself from 2013:

Tough to justify the Patriots passing on any player based upon red flags, given that they took Hernandez...

That choice pretty much eliminates the non-injury "red flags" argument for this team, and we all know that this team doesn't look at injury "red flags" the same way that other teams do.

 

[New England Pride]

Tough to justify the Patriots passing on any player based upon red flags, given that they took Hernandez...

That choice pretty much eliminates the non-injury "red flags" argument for this team, and we all know that this team doesn't look at injury "red flags" the same way that other teams do.

I feel like you're a little too critical of personell decisions. Every GM makes mistakes in drafting and free agency.

 

[patchick]

Tough to justify the Patriots passing on any player based upon red flags, given that they took Hernandez...

That's a pretty weird straw man argument, Deus. Because the Patriots misread the tea leaves on one prospect they're not allowed to ever consider any negative reports on any prospects?

They got Hernandez wrong -- terribly wrong. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Keenan Allen looked like a good round 2 risk in 2013.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's a pretty weird straw man argument, Deus.

It's not a straw man argument at all. If Hernandez could pass the red flags test, there's no excuse for anyone else not to.

 

[Deus Irae]

I feel like you're a little too critical of personell decisions. Every GM makes mistakes in drafting and free agency.

And I feel you're too much of a homer when it comes to this stuff. We're now at an impasse.

 

[JMC00]

ROFLMAO. YOU offer up that as an example of Allen being able to handle the Patriots offense? Clearly you don't know jack about how the Patriots offense works.

Didn't Keenan Allen almost quit football during training camp his rookie year?

Yep. He did.

"Training camp was very hard for me. I wanted out, to be honest with you," Allen told Chargers reported Annie Heilbrunn in a recent interview. "I was down on myself. I actually called my mom and told her I didn't want to play anymore because I wanted to do music."

Things didn't get much better for Allen after training camp ended either. In the Chargers regular season opener against Houston, the rookie wide receiver didn't play one offensive snap.

"After I didn't play after that first game, I was about another snap away of not playing from quitting," Allen said, via U-T San Diego.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...nan-allen-i-almost-quit-the-team-after-week-1



Ya seems like he would have been a real great fit for the Pats in '13. When the rookie WRs got thrown right into the deep end and were told to swim.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

ROFLMAO. YOU offer up that as an example of Allen being able to handle the Patriots offense? Clearly you don't know jack about how the Patriots offense works.

You have yet to show ANYTHING to support your claim. Nothing at all. Yet you keep pounding your chest as if you have.. You seem to be the one who knows nothing about Patriots football and clearly are lacking in terms of understanding how their offense is run.

First, you keep asking for "facts" about things that can't really be proven. I sent you a link that reported his route running abilities like you asked.
If you think I don't understand how our offense works, you are just plain stupid. You're the one who seems to be making the claim like there's some highly known fact that Allen can't run routes or has issues learning A playbook. Going by his outstanding ability to find holes and sit in zone coverages, I would be very confident in saying he has a good enough ability to read coverages and make adjustments the Pats offense calls for. We all know the patriots playbook is the hardest to learn in the NFL, but you're making it out to be like you need to be a Genius to get it down.
Not to mention, both Keenan Allen and Aaron Dobson had Wonderlic test scores of 19. So basically they had the same football IQ coming out of college. If you want to try to argue that Dobson was a better college player and had a better, more patriots suited skill set, then I really don't have time to argue with you. Injury concerns aside and going off of his success with the Chargers, I'm confident he would've been a better pick then Dobson.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Didn't Keenan Allen almost quit football during training camp his rookie year?

Yep. He did.

"Training camp was very hard for me. I wanted out, to be honest with you," Allen told Chargers reported Annie Heilbrunn in a recent interview. "I was down on myself. I actually called my mom and told her I didn't want to play anymore because I wanted to do music."

Things didn't get much better for Allen after training camp ended either. In the Chargers regular season opener against Houston, the rookie wide receiver didn't play one offensive snap.

"After I didn't play after that first game, I was about another snap away of not playing from quitting," Allen said, via U-T San Diego.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...nan-allen-i-almost-quit-the-team-after-week-1



Ya seems like he would have been a real great fit for the Pats in '13. When the rookie WRs got thrown right into the deep end and were told to swim.

He actually wanted to quit because he wasn't starting or getting playing time. So going with your "thrown into the deep end" notion, I don't think it would've been a problem in 2013 lol

 

[SalemPats]

Dobson has the tools, 6'3, fast and a decent route runner. He's getting in the holes well and Brady is finding him. But, the drops and lack of physicality with the ball is concerning. There is a point where potential runs out. He has another 3-4 weeks to prove he can be a dominant #2 WR or he'll fall out of the lineup when Lafell is back.

 

[Deus Irae]

He actually wanted to quit because he wasn't starting or getting playing time. So going with your "thrown into the deep end" notion, I don't think it would've been a problem in 2013 lol

The wanting to quit thing is also a close echo to Brady wanting to transfer from Michigan. We all know how that worked out.

 

[PatsFan2]

Didn't Keenan Allen almost quit football during training camp his rookie year?

Yep. He did.

"Training camp was very hard for me. I wanted out, to be honest with you," Allen told Chargers reported Annie Heilbrunn in a recent interview. "I was down on myself. I actually called my mom and told her I didn't want to play anymore because I wanted to do music."

Things didn't get much better for Allen after training camp ended either. In the Chargers regular season opener against Houston, the rookie wide receiver didn't play one offensive snap.

"After I didn't play after that first game, I was about another snap away of not playing from quitting," Allen said, via U-T San Diego.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...nan-allen-i-almost-quit-the-team-after-week-1



Ya seems like he would have been a real great fit for the Pats in '13. When the rookie WRs got thrown right into the deep end and were told to swim.

Interesting I admire people in life who keep their options open even football players. May be at that point in time he didn't like football, if his football career is any indication of what he could have done in music Allen would have been a success.

 

[New England Pride]

And I feel you're too much of a homer when it comes to this stuff. We're now at an impasse.

I disagree with your assessment of me being a homer about personell decisions. I've barely voiced my opinion about those decisions on this site if at all. Minus my borderline obnoxious pro Dobson thread(s), I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

The wanting to quit thing is also a close echo to Brady wanting to transfer from Michigan. We all know how that worked out.

Thank you.

Sometimes I want to kill someone when they spill a drink over me at a nightclub, does that make me Aaron Hernandez? No
Wanting to do something, and actually doing it are two completely different things.
He may have wanted to quit, but he ended up going on to win Offensive rookie of the year. Who cares what he wanted to do in the begging of the season.