Official Brady vs. NFL Federal Court 8/12 Thread (LIVE UPDATES)

[RayClay]

They were after the Holy Grail, a Belichick text.

Given press conferences by BB, I could guess his tex ting history. k, k, kk, k...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Have said for a while now BB was their intended target, #12 is collateral damage.. but when they found out BB liked to use crappy footballs for practice, that plan hit the shytter real quick.

It started when Kensil was foaming at the mouth on the Pats sidelines during the Indy game, "We f... ing got you now"!!!!!

Seems so surreal.

This whole thing was started by the Colts and carried out by Kensil.

The.Whole.Thing.

If DEN beats Indy this doesn't happen

 

[sambam94]

Seems so surreal.

This whole thing was started by the Colts and carried out by Kensil.

The.Whole.Thing.

If DEN beats Indy this doesn't happen

Manning's fault

 

[JJC]

Here's the thing. If Berman wants to rule for the NFL* because he has to because of the CBA, then why is he wasting everyone's time with facts? Do we really want to believe he's just throwing out this stuff that will have no actual bearing on how he decides just to pressure a settlement?

Assuming your premise, perhaps he feels that this is a miscarriage of justice that he cannot right under the law. In that case, he can poke holes in the basis for the sanctions and get the NFL on record doing violence to Tom Brady's public image so that Brady has a more solid basis for a defamation suit, which could succeed where the NFLPA suit cannot.

I don't believe this, personally - but it is a possibility.

 

[DarrylS]

Seems so surreal.

This whole thing was started by the Colts and carried out by Kensil.

The.Whole.Thing.

If DEN beats Indy this doesn't happen

In this 7 month total immersion into equipment issues, the real story it is completely surreal, it is as though the NFL has morphed into a parallel universe, where right is left and up is down and wrong is right.

Goodell, Kensil and their hired guns are completely focused on BB; they change NFL rules, they disrupt their preparations, suspend star players, they take away draft picks and still they win...

 

[Tony2046]

Given press conferences by BB, I could guess his tex ting history. k, k, kk, k...

They had BB phone according to the released appeal transcript.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Assuming your premise, perhaps he feels that this is a miscarriage of justice that he cannot right under the law. In that case, he can poke holes in the basis for the sanctions and get the NFL on record doing violence to Tom Brady's public image so that Brady has a more solid basis for a defamation suit, which could succeed where the NFLPA suit cannot.

I don't believe this, personally - but it is a possibility.

That seemed to be the road Berman was going down yesterday.

Is the Wells report a solid foundation to support the suspension?

Hate to read tea leaves but seemed he was more interested yesterday in justice and not due process.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Yes, the presence of that word "reasonably" should matter. It absolutely should not be possible for Goodell just to suspend players arbitrarily on a hunch, which appears to be what he did here.

Since there is a standard of "reasonable" for the court to consider, I don't think the court is going to be impressed with responses like "the report doesn't have to be independent" and "under the CBA, the commissioner can just do what he wants."

 

[turkeyneck]

... it is as though the NFL has morphed into a parallel universe, where right is left and up is down and wrong is right.

Sort of a Bizarro World, from which emerged a Bizarro Brady, captured by the court artist yesterday.

 

[Cunk]

Given press conferences by BB, I could guess his tex ting history. k, k, kk, k...

I would imagine Thanksgiving would be something like this at the Belichick household:

Guest 1: Bill, could you pass the salt?
BB: We're moving on to the turkey.
Guest 1: Ok, but could you please pass the salt.
BB: We're moving on to the turkey.
Guest 2: These potatoes are delicious! What did you put in them?
BB: You'll have to ask my wife that.
Guest 2: But I saw you in the kitchen helping her with the potatoes.
BB: We're moving on to the green-bean casserole.
Guest 3: So Bill, Debby tells me you guys are planning on starting a vegetable garden next summer. What are you planning on planting?
BB: Like I just said, we're moving on to the green-bean casserole.
Guest 3: Do you think you have enough sun out there? You have a lot of trees bordering your yard.
BB: Nom, nom, nom, nom. (drips sauce on turkey-themed hoodie). We're moving on to the squash casserole.
Guest 1: Don't you think it's kind of weird we put marshmallows on top of the sweet potato casserole?
BB: Look, if you want to know about squash, ask Debby. Right now, we're just focused on glazed carrots.
Guest 1. I'm just asking a general question about how it's funny we put marshmallows on this one dish.
BB: Our focus is right now is carrots, in glaze. I can't speak for potatoes.
Guest 1. That's doesn't make any sense. Speak for potatoes?
Guest 2. Bill, could you please pass the creamed onions?
BB: We're not looking past the carrots right now. If you want to talk about onions we can talk after the carrots have been taken care of.
Guest 3. We forgot to say Grace. Bill, do you want the honors?
BB: Amen

 

[Tony2046]

Prediction: Aug 19th

Kessler brings in McNally and JJ and they explain the reasons for the text messages and state Brady never told them to do anything illegal with those footballs.

People with names that rhyme with ash, fall to the floor in fetal positions sobbing uncontrollably, " But ....the ....C BA...the CBA"

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Can't wait to see Kessler's new appeal this Friday.

I'm guessing it will includes lots of statements made by Pash et al on Wed that contradict the Wells report and other court filings re independence, evidence and a nexus between McNally/Jastrewski and Brady or lack thereof...

I don't think they settle before Wed, if only to give Kessler a chance to cross examine Goodell......
and yes I realize that means Pash and Reisner (?) get to question Brady but it seems that the NFL has more to hide and a less solid argument.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Prediction: Aug 19th

Kessler brings in McNally and JJ and they explain the reasons for the text messages and state Brady never told them to do anything illegal with those footballs.

Even better would be that Berman asks each of the NFL people involved very pointed questions. With the stipulation that each member is pulled from the room to make sure nobody hears each others stories (though you'd think they'd have the script nailed by now, but not sure they are that smart) and asks them how this whole thing got started and who knew what and when (Fact finding on the sting, ...)

Make-believe aside, Judge Berman might want Goodell to walk him through his process and how he concluded that he interpreted each fact as he arrived at his decision. most importantly, how he set aside any prior knowledge to act in a fair and impartial manner. you know be buddy buddy from 1 judge to another.

 

[The Gr8est]

In this 7 month total immersion into equipment issues, the real story it is completely surreal, it is as though the NFL has morphed into a parallel universe, where right is left and up is down and wrong is right.

Goodell, Kensil and their hired guns are completely focused on BB; they change NFL rules, they disrupt their preparations, suspend star players, they take away draft picks and still they win...

And the Pats continue to win. If the Pats don't have a #1 pick stolen back in 2008, maybe they have another Superbowl win or two.

 

[PatsGuy]

Some headlines today, eg.MSN Brady just ruined what was left of his Golden Boy image , bspn didn't have anything till far down, something neutral,
During this whole framegate, I have been wondering is this communist Russia? How the press is controlled, so one sided. What other org or vip has had such favorable press ? Not Presidents, not big oil ... is this America ?

That is an article from USA Today and not MSN. The author is a known Brady hater. Please get your sources right

 

[Tony2046]

Even better would be that Berman asks each of the NFL people involved very pointed questions. With the stipulation that each member is pulled from the room to make sure nobody hears each others stories (though you'd think they'd have the script nailed by now, but not sure they are that smart) and asks them how this whole thing got started and who knew what and when (Fact finding on the sting, ...)

Make-believe aside, Judge Berman might want Goodell to walk him through his process and how he concluded that he interpreted each fact as he arrived at his decision. most importantly, how he set aside any prior knowledge to act in a fair and impartial manner. you know be buddy buddy from 1 judge to another.

And ask each one how much air do they believe McNally released from those footballs. I still believe Roger does not know how much or is still under the impression it was in the vicinity of 2 psi when the Wells report implies 0.3.

I would love it if somebody reported that the original story of 2 psi was actually 0.3.

 

[willard]

I'm guessing it will includes lots of statements made by Pash et al on Wed that contradict the Wells report and other court filings re independence, evidence and a nexus between McNally/Jastrewski and Brady or lack thereof...

I don't think they settle before Wed, if only to give Kessler a chance to cross examine Goodell......
and yes I realize that means Pash and Reisner (?) get to question Brady but it seems that the NFL has more to hide and a less solid argument.

From way outside looking in with no legal background, I had the impression that is a response to something that happened either in chambers or in the open courtroom. Looking forward to what additional shots Kessler will fire.

Again no legal background, but it seems the union has a strong argument that Badsmell's judgement did not follow law of shop and do not feel negative about the outcome.

 

[nowayback]

That is an article from USA Today and not MSN. The author is a known Brady hater. Please get your sources right

Yes , MSN Put it Top of headline page

 

[patriot1136]

This is probably irrelevant but can we figure out who told Mort to leak his report to begin with?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

They were after the Holy Grail, a Belichick text.

Wells HAD access to Belichick's phone, accordingto Kraft