Reiss expects Pats to be fined-deflategate? No farking way

[Rob0729]

Today would be the perfect day to release the Wells Report. Good Friday. Final Four and Easter/Passover this weekend.

 

[BradyManny]

A key to me will be how competent Columbia (or whoever they hired as scientific investigators) was in their experiments.

Not to bead a dead horse, as I've made my points clear here, and I think rlcarr summed them up nicely a couple days ago, but to reiterate: To me, I think it's clear, the concept of pressure's dependence upon temperature - and therefore the weather - was foreign to the principle figures involved in both leading up to the game, and the investigation that began immediately after it. The timeline of Wells reaching out to Columbia suggests as much (after Professor Belichick's smackdown). Yes, I know that might seem amazing that a group of grown men were unaware of a basic scientific principle that is not only intuitive but makes itself known to us in our everyday lives, but it seems to be what happened.

So, provided Columbia was competent and conveyed this pressure-temperature relationship to Wells, then this will be new information the league will have to deal with. We still can't predict how they will deal with it, but we also can't simply assume they will ignore it. Anyone's guess is as good as mine.

 

[Galeb]

It would and he should. But outside of few people like Reiss and Curran, the media (even here, let alone nationally) will portray him as a whiner trying to deflect people away from misdeeds.

That's the thing you seem to keep missing. Outside of NE fans, no one cares if NE looks bad -- in fact, they like it! So Kraft can go ballistic all he wants, but it won't budge the needle on the narrative.

It will if Kraft has damaging evidence that he can go public with.

 

[rochrist]

Today would be the perfect day to release the Wells Report. Good Friday. Final Four and Easter/Passover this weekend.

I've had this day circled for awhile, but nothing yet.

 

[rochrist]

They were talking about deflategate on the radio today because of an interview with Greg Doyle and this dawned on me -

that the NFL has a rule in place to inflate a football to the level of it being not optimal for the offense.

That someone said that if the ball was to be less than 12 PSI then the offense would be at a great advantage. So we will pass a rule that will make all quarterbacks uneasy with handling the football to keep the integrity of the game intact so that the defense has a chance.

We can't give the offense that much of an advantage. We must overinflated the football for integrity.

That doesn't really make any sense, given their propensity to inact rule after rule favoring the offense.

 

[BradyManny]

Today would be the perfect day to release the Wells Report. Good Friday. Final Four and Easter/Passover this weekend.

I've been thinking the same thing, but there's two things that make me now say no - a) Schefter said the jetsetting Brady still hasn't been in for an interview (though Reiss seemed to contradict that) and b) if Wells report wasn't even in the league's hand by last week, I have a hard time seeing Goodell having come to a decision already. You know he has a dartboard in his office with a list of all possible decisions on it, and he wants to get enough throws on it to ensure he's making the right move.

 

[Rob0729]

I've been thinking the same thing, but there's two things that make me now say no - a) Schefter said the jetsetting Brady still hasn't been in for an interview (though Reiss seemed to contradict that) and b) if Wells report wasn't even in the league's hand by last week, I have a hard time seeing Goodell having come to a decision already. You know he has a dartboard in his office with a list of all possible decisions on it, and he wants to get enough throws on it to ensure he's making the right move.

Several people have reported that Brady has been interviewed. And the Ray Rice report was just dumped late on a Friday with no warning.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Here's the relevant piece of the NFL statement:

Our office has been conducting an investigation as to whether the footballs used in last Sunday’s AFC Championship Game complied with the specifications that are set forth in the playing rules. The investigation began based on information that suggested that the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

This statement says that prior to the game the balls were in spec. The statement also says they are investigating whether "the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch"

Putting those two things together that implies the NFL believes Rule 2, Section 1 applies throughout the entire game. If Rule 2, Section 1 does not apply throughout the game, then how is it even determinable if a ball is underpressured? What would you be testing against? Notice that the statement does not say the NFL is investigating if the balls were tampered with. It says they're investigating why the balls didn't comply with the specification. Which means there is a specification to comply with. Which means Rule 2, Section 1 applies throughout the game.

 

[Rob0729]

I've had this day circled for awhile, but nothing yet.

If it is released today, we won't hear about it until after 4PM.

 

[juny]

i wonder if Sharks of Vegas has any new info, they seemed to be pretty accurate when this was in its early stages

 

[Koma]

I was amused by his protestations that he's now so terrribly, terribly BORED by the whole affair. This from the assclown who wanted the Pats banned from the NFL back in Feb. Translation: I've figured out that nothing was going on and I'm desperately trying to avoid looking like more of an idiot than I already do.

Doyel was on an anti-Patriots crusade for a solid month (from the day after the AFCCG to his "Everyone Lost" column on 2/20.) Everything was on the table for him: Fines, suspensions for players and coaches, loss of draft picks, kicking the Patriots out of the SB. He never presented his position as "If the Patriots did something wrong..." He portrayed them as 100% guilty from the very beginning and mocked anyone who presented an alternative viewpoint.

Now, he's going from equating this situation to the 1919 Black Sox to saying it's not very significant and the Patriots may receive the same sort of fine a player would get for a uniform violation. The guy who spent a month firing up simple-minded Patriots haters with his columns and tweets now says he doesn't want to be part of the story any more. He was even displeased when Minihane brought up how over the top his reactions were in Jan/Feb.

It's funny, in a way, that he believes he can run a smear campaign on a team and it's fans and then expect everyone one to let things slide and walk away when he's grown bored of the story.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

i wonder if Sharks of Vegas has any new info, they seemed to be pretty accurate when this was in its early stages

Like when they said we see the results in 3 days
All they did was re-tweet selective rumors that had been posted shortly before
Their silence since is indicative
No more rumors to retweet, no SOV tweets

 

[glm]

Here's the relevant piece of the NFL statement:


This statement says that prior to the game the balls were in spec. The statement also says they are investigating whether "the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch"

Putting those two things together that implies the NFL believes Rule 2, Section 1 applies throughout the entire game. If Rule 2, Section 1 does not apply throughout the game, then how is it even determinable if a ball is underpressured? What would you be testing against? Notice that the statement does not say the NFL is investigating if the balls were tampered with. It says they're investigating why the balls didn't comply with the specification. Which means there is a specification to comply with. Which means Rule 2, Section 1 applies throughout the game.

Don't see how you jumped to that conclusion, especially "Notice that the statement does not say the NFL is investigating if the balls were tampered with." That's the entire reason why there's an investigation. The refs inspect the balls before the game, if a ball is determined to be under pressure then they fixed it then there. Nowhere in that statement does it say the ball's pressure has to stay between 12.5 - 13.5 psi. They just have to get the okay from the refs. So since they got the okay from the refs then the only way the Patriots can get in trouble is if they tampered with the balls after the initial inspection. That's what Ted Well's is investigating.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

the concept of pressure's dependence upon temperature - and therefore the weather - was foreign to the principle figures involved in both leading up to the game, and the investigation that began immediately after it.

And, to be fair to the present-day morons, the people who drafted the rule in the first place.

 

[Joker]

That's what Ted Well's is investigating.


WTF is he waiting for , a deathbed confession?

 

[BradyManny]

And, to be fair to the present-day morons, the people who drafted the rule in the first place.

Except that the rule doesn't make any mention of measuring at half-time. Nor should it, I personally don't think anything is wrong with the rule. Football is played within the elements - whatever happens to the balls, so be it. I think its fine to regulate how the balls are when they go out to the playing field. I don't think it makes a lick of sense to try and regulate it afterwards - but I do think it could be a consequence of this dog & pony show of an investigation.

It was Kensil & Grigson who F'd up here.

 

[Joker]

It was Kensil & Grigson who F'd up here.

and Goodell is lying through his teeth (de rigueur) stating he was unaware of Kensil's actions.

 

[glm]

That's what Ted Well's is investigating.


WTF is he waiting for , a deathbed confession?

He realizes it's a shut and dry case so he's milking all the cash he can get, at least that's my guess. Hell, he might be uncovering some ani-patriots conspiracy for all we know

 

[glm]

It was Kensil & Grigson who F'd up here.

and Goodell is lying through his teeth (de rigueur) stating he was unaware of Kensil's actions.

Boom. Fall guy.

 

[Joker]

It's so transparently idiotic that I think everyone is MISSING the simple fact that these clowns are as inept at their intended backstabbing as they are eaten up by their bitter jealousy. At this point, after all these seasons, it's past time that they were wiped clean. Flush the fecal stools out of the NFL and into the Jersey sewer where they belong.