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a journey of a thousand miles beings with a single step - pearls of wisdom from james

So tell us about Brady's "decline," because other than Sam Monson you are the only person who sees it.
 
Maybe the Packers will cut Rodgers, he sucks too.
 
So tell us about Brady's "decline," because other than Sam Monson you are the only person who sees it.

felger sees it......bedard said this week that brady didnt play especially well down the stretch and that he didnt think brady would be here long term.....probably meaning into his 40s
 
felger sees it......bedard said this week that brady didnt play especially well down the stretch and that he didnt think brady would be here long term.....probably meaning into his 40s


Lmfao

Felger is a moron who Hates the Patriots


Brady is a serious candidate for MVP, that's not a player on the decline no matter what the Hater's say.

And claiming Bedard thinks he may not be here in four to five years is not a sign of decline.

Keep trying, weak argument.
 
Tony Mazz sees it, so does Minnehane, so does Don Shula and Mercury Morris


felger sees it......bedard said this week that brady didnt play especially well down the stretch and that he didnt think brady would be here long term.....probably meaning into his 40s

Seriously James, if this is all you have them you really are a troll
 
Lmfao

Felger is a moron who Hates the Patriots


Brady is a serious candidate for MVP, that's not a player on the decline no matter what the Hater's say.

And claiming Bedard thinks he may not be here in four to five years is not a sign of decline.

Keep trying, weak argument.
ok........i could be completely wrong

my eye test tells me that brady was inconsistent this year......sometimes very good with his accuracy and decision making and poise......and sometimes not so much

when brady is still here in 2017 and playing at an elite level, y'all can all laugh at that clown james who thought brady was on the decline
 
heck.....y'all can laugh at me now......i dont mind........my tears will dry
 
ok........i could be completely wrong

my eye test tells me that brady was inconsistent this year......sometimes very good with his accuracy and decision making and poise......and sometimes not so much

when brady is still here in 2017 and playing at an elite level, y'all can all laugh at that clown james who thought brady was on the decline

I'm laughing now, he is an MVP candidate and you are trying to say he's on the decline. That's an absurd argument.
 
Well, at least you answered shmessy's question about who was arguing that Brady is declining.......
 
i would continue this.....but i have been told that there have been complaints about me

so i need to tone it down

some people are sensitive
 
ok........i could be completely wrong

my eye test tells me that brady was inconsistent this year......sometimes very good with his accuracy and decision making and poise......and sometimes not so much

when brady is still here in 2017 and playing at an elite level, y'all can all laugh at that clown james who thought brady was on the decline

Well, I suspect by 2017 you'll be a Colts fan somewhere else making the case that Andrew Luck needs to go.

I didn't play organized football ever in my entire life. I played street football all the time, but when it came to organized sports, I was on the ski team. I don't pretend to know X's and O's like everyone else, but I consider myself fairly observant, and there's some things your media heroes quite clearly miss.

1. Tom's now `overrated` in the play offs.
Wrong conclusion. Tom Brady has been stiffed by the Ray Lewis, Ed Reed defense of old. It didn't matter when and where he played them, against that defense, Tom Brady has to fight for every inch and every yard. He still came out on top of most of them, but they were battles, struggles, and not the typical aerial assault performances we see so often from him.

Tom Brady's post season stats have taken a hit in recent years, not because it's the playoffs, as Felger the idiot suggests, but because we've had to continually play Tom's kryponite defense.

It's because he's been playing the Ravens.

Fortunately, that defense, and those Ravens, no longer exists.

2. `Tom can't throw the deep ball`.
Oh, how his detractors like to cherry pick and harp on alleged weaknesses and skew the narrative by ignoring all of his strengths.

It isn't always easy, I imagine, to hit the deep ball with a 5'7 WR who is being covered by a tall 6'2 defensive back. No, Tom is not the greatest long ball thrower in the history of the league, but there is an element of coaching here as well. Do Tom's bombs get under thrown and intercepted on these plays? Or does he miss the mark by throwing it a yard too far? (which would be caught, btw, with stereotypical, tall WR's who clear the field with long strides and long arms).

What have we seen Belichick tell rookie back ups before? "Have you ever lost a game over an incomplete pass? Think about it." The answer, Belichick teaches them, is no.

Yes, he misses the deep ball sometimes. He also rarely throws interceptions with them.

3. Weapons.
Our offense is elite, but where's all the elite weapons? What's different about the Patriot offense that its offense is elite but it differs from the other elite offenses in lacking an abundance of elite targets?

Tom Brady.

What's so wonderful about Peyton Manning? Do you know how many times I see him dump off a two yard pass that the receiver or tight end then breaks three tackles on and takes 60 yards to the endzone?

Our guys are manageable. They're decent. They're better than last year.

But if Peyton Manning were on our team instead of Tom Brady, we would flat out #%$#ing suck. Our guys can't do stuff like that on 2 yard easy dump offs, at least not to the degree that Manning's can.

All we have is Gronk, and if Peyton Manning were our quarterback, he would have already killed him with his hospital balls.

70% of NFL fans didn't know who the hell Lafell was until he came here.

Last year we were in the AFC Championship game with Tom throwing to Hooman and Mulligan.
Where's the credit?

4." Stats are for losers. Final score is for winners. And that's really what it's all about."
People like to say Flacco out played Brady in the AFC Championship of 2011, while Brady was taking the long, hard road, against a brutal defense seemingly tailor made to counter him. Flacco threw against the 2nd worst defense in the league, with holes everywhere.

"Brady played poorly."

I didn't see that. He struggled, but struggling is not playing poorly. Playing poorly is what we see in Denver's 2013 Superbowl humiliation. Instead I saw a competitor, willing to go above and beyond to claw and scratch his way to victory. I don't see Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning diving over lines and getting their backs almost broken by Ray Lewis in order to get the crucial touchdown.

If that's what Rodgers or Peyton need to do to win a game, they, to put it simply, don't win the game.

Most of the time he'll get us the win through his elite skill and his elite ability and it'll be uniquely dominant.

Other times he gets it through sheer force of Will.

And I would think someone quoting Nietzsche in their forum signature could respect that.

In conclusion, Felger is a dumb, stupid ass#@!#
 
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Well, I suspect by 2017 you'll be a Colts fan somewhere else making the case that Andrew Luck needs to go.

ill probably be around as long as BB is here......unless i get banned

impressive post......plenty of good points

we will see how the playoffs go
 
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ill probably be around as long as BB is here......unless i get banned

impressive post......plenty of good points

we will see how the playoffs go

I never used to consider you a troll but this thread convinced me otherwise, especially the "Brady is declining because felger says so" comment. It's pretty clear you are only trying to piss people off and not making any kind of real point, so off to ignore you go. I have absolutely no use for this kind of crap.
now that I revisit my ignore list for the first time in a long time I see that pretty much all were banned for being trolls, and the one who weren't stopped posting when the Patriots started winning again..... Go figure? It n ever ceases to amaze me that some people actually get off on that sh.t, pretty pathetic. Adios James
 
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felger sees it......bedard said this week that brady didnt play especially well down the stretch and that he didnt think brady would be here long term.....probably meaning into his 40s


Felger? 'nuf ced.
 
thats pretty early to draft a QB when you have other needs and you drafted an injury prone guy in the 1st

Before looking at replacing Brady from the starting lineup, I think that drafting JAG was mostly to get roster depth at the position, which was non-existant after this year.

We've all seen what happened to a team that doesn't have a good backup QB. The Cards are the most recent exemple, and the Colts of 2011 is another one.

Belichick is not crazy, he has to know that history is against 37 year old QB starting all 16 games in any given season. I'm not betting against Brady playing into his 40s, but again I'm not 100% sure this is truly what he has on his mind; maybe he is just trying to avoid the media circus that Favre had at every season end.

people that are objective know that BB has aspirations that JAG can be the next starter

if he was drafting just a backup......he would have waited......hoyer is a perfect backup, and he was undrafted

Any QB that is even drafted are done with the aspiration that they can be a starter. I don't think a team is going to draft a QB just for the sake of having a 3rd stringer who can hold a clipboard.

Any team that has a backup which isn't good enough to win games will try to upgrade that position. That being said, it's already hard enough to get a decent starter, getting a decent backup and hold on to it past their initial rookie contract is impossible. That's why teams are investing higher draft choices to get QBs; I don't think guys like Ponder and Locker were worthy of being drafted in the 1st round, but it's a QB driven league and without one teams don't win.
 
Before looking at replacing Brady from the starting lineup, I think that drafting JAG was mostly to get roster depth at the position, which was non-existant after this year.

We've all seen what happened to a team that doesn't have a good backup QB. The Cards are the most recent exemple, and the Colts of 2011 is another one.

Belichick is not crazy, he has to know that history is against 37 year old QB starting all 16 games in any given season. I'm not betting against Brady playing into his 40s, but again I'm not 100% sure this is truly what he has on his mind; maybe he is just trying to avoid the media circus that Favre had at every season end.



Any QB that is even drafted are done with the aspiration that they can be a starter. I don't think a team is going to draft a QB just for the sake of having a 3rd stringer who can hold a clipboard.

Any team that has a backup which isn't good enough to win games will try to upgrade that position. That being said, it's already hard enough to get a decent starter, getting a decent backup and hold on to it past their initial rookie contract is impossible. That's why teams are investing higher draft choices to get QBs; I don't think guys like Ponder and Locker were worthy of being drafted in the 1st round, but it's a QB driven league and without one teams don't win.

Right on the money. Belichick wants a quality prospect behind Brady but won't replace him,until that is warranted by his play, not his age. Brady is still an MVP caliber player and he could be demanding,much more than he is getting, he's a great player,on a great deal, it doesn't get any better than that and he will remain the Patriots QB as long as his play warrants that, and to this point there had been absolutely no sign his play is declining.

How long he will,play is always an,open question but there is no reason to look at replacing him until he is no longer a top 10 QB in this league, at which point I believe he will retire, he won't hang on just too keep playing.
 
I see it as a catch 22 situation. IMO Brady's standard is as high or higher than that which the Patriots would have for him, so while people are suggesting he will go elsewhere because the Patriots won't want him I think if he is ever bad enough so NE wouldn't want him he would also be so bad that he wouldn't be playing to his standards and would retire, much the same way Bruschi did. He's only going to keep playing if he is among the top QBs football, he's not going to be the drecks, and I can't see the Patriots parting with him n while he is still a top QB.

That sounds nice but it misses the one thing that matters -- when it's at the sticking point, Brady and the team could well have a disagreement on how long he'll be at some given level of performance.

Saw you have two QBs on the team -- Brady and the guy you think will be his replacement. Brady is still playing better than the replacement, but you're pretty sure Brady only has another couple of years left (Brady may well not agree with you). The replacement isn't as good as Brady, but you are pretty sure he's going to be an above-average QB and in any event is the the player that you've tabbed to be the replacement. The replacement's contract comes up and he (quite justifiably) wants to be a starter somewhere. He won't re-sign to continue to ride the bench.

Do you throw away your replacement, ride Brady for a couple more years, and hope you can find another replacement in those couple of years? Or do you trade or cut Brady and transition to the future?

I think that if you feel the guy you've tabbed as the replacement will do what you need from him for the next 5-10 years you have to trade/cut Brady in that situation. Even if Brady is currently better than the replacement and even if Brady can maintain that level for a couple of years.
 
That sounds nice but it misses the one thing that matters -- when it's at the sticking point, Brady and the team could well have a disagreement on how long he'll be at some given level of performance.

And Belichick could decide he wants to have a sex change operation and aspire to become Miss America.
We can deal with hypotheticals, that as of this moment aren't actual real things, when they actually become something real.

Saw you have two QBs on the team -- Brady and the guy you think will be his replacement.

Objection your Honor. The plaintiff is speculating.

Belichick has never said -or even hinted- that he feels anyone is Brady's replacement.

You guys are going to need to get real arguments at some point because these ones are bad.
 
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