(some) Chargers fans are not worried about the Pats

[zippo59]

they he couldn't win the big game! Just like Jim Boeheim. And Peyton Manning. and John Elway.

point being is that in a team sport, it's usually folly to point to a team's failure as a mark against one of their players

there is a difference between not winning the big game and not winning games period.

 

[Fanfrom1960]

there is a difference between not winning the big game and not winning games period.

Bingo. Keep an eye on Jim Harbaugh. If he turns Stanford around, he could be in the pros real soon. And, he's already done San Diego, at the U of SD. There are so many retread head coaches in the NFL now, makes for a lot of opportunities.

 

[TheSeymonsta]

Could care less what a fan of the irrelevant San Diego Chargers think of our offseason moves.

Chargers = No history at all.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I love how every team thinks the Patriots activity this year is because of them.

Actually in the case of the Chargers they are correct.

I can't believe that game was even that close!

Usually our sub-par starters (like Brady) and fill in third stringers are good enough to humiliate a team like the Chargers. Clearly there was something amiss.

Unfortunately, we still have a lot of guys on our team who weren't good enough to make a "real" football team like Rodney Harris on our squad.

 

[zippo59]

Actually in the case of the Chargers they are correct.

I can't believe that game was even that close!

Usually our sub-par starters (like Brady) and fill in third stringers are good enough to humiliate a team like the Chargers. Clearly there was something amiss.

Unfortunately, we still have a lot of guys on our team who weren't good enough to make a "real" football team like Rodney Harris on our squad.

The Patriots aren't building this team to beat a single other team. They are building it so they can beat EVERY other team.

 

[DaBruinz]

The Chargers have let go Randall Godfrey and Donnie Edwards. Carlos Polk is still a UFA (someone I hope the Pats bring in honestly). And they are short at safety.

Not to mention that they have a new head coach and 2 new coordinators. Its highly unlikely that they won't change the play-book. And, it remains to be seen whether Turner will leave the 3-4 in place or go to a 4-3.

 

[DaBruinz]

Maroney was healthy for the game last year, and Seymour was pretty healthy by then as well. Gay is a nickel or dime back who wasn't a huge loss, Ocallaghan a backup OL, and Washington may not even make our team. I agree having both Wilson and Harrison out hurt us, and our WR's and LB's have gotten better.

No, Maroney wasn't healthy. Torn rib cartelidge doesn't fully heal in 3 weeks. Its still very painful.

Also, Seymour wasn't pretty healthy. Its why he had arthroscopic surgery this off-season.

 

[pao]

The Chargers have let go Randall Godfrey and Donnie Edwards. Carlos Polk is still a UFA (someone I hope the Pats bring in honestly). And they are short at safety.

Not to mention that they have a new head coach and 2 new coordinators. Its highly unlikely that they won't change the play-book. And, it remains to be seen whether Turner will leave the 3-4 in place or go to a 4-3.

Chargers are trying to re-sign Polk and Godfrey. Chargers have servicable safetys, looking for a game changer (ala Rodney Harrison). Turner installed Chargers offense in 2001, there will be very little play-book changing. It does not remain to be seen whether the Chargers will run 3-4 next year, it is a foregone conclusion and one of the biggest reasons the Chargers hired Ted Cotrell.

pao

 

[pao]

No, Maroney wasn't healthy. Torn rib cartelidge doesn't fully heal in 3 weeks. Its still very painful.

Also, Seymour wasn't pretty healthy. Its why he had arthroscopic surgery this off-season.

Chargers had 11 surgeries this off season. Both teams were beat up as was every team in the playoffs. Who cares, scoreboard. The Patriots beat the Chargers, all the rest is just bullsh*t. If you are looking to next year then both teams will be improved, the Patriots more than the Chargers. The argument can be made that the Patriots had more improving to be done. I think the game next year will be tough and bitter. We'll see.

pao

 

[pao]

Actually in the case of the Chargers they are correct.

I can't believe that game was even that close!

Usually our sub-par starters (like Brady) and fill in third stringers are good enough to humiliate a team like the Chargers. Clearly there was something amiss.

Unfortunately, we still have a lot of guys on our team who weren't good enough to make a "real" football team like Rodney Harris on our squad.

Rodney Harris, eh? LOL.

pao

 

[DaBruinz]

Chargers are trying to re-sign Polk and Godfrey. Chargers have servicable safetys, looking for a game changer (ala Rodney Harrison). Turner installed Chargers offense in 2001, there will be very little play-book changing. It does not remain to be seen whether the Chargers will run 3-4 next year, it is a foregone conclusion and one of the biggest reasons the Chargers hired Ted Cotrell.

pao

The Chargers only have 3 safeties on their team currently according to the depth charts I have seen. And its not a foregone conclusion that they will be able to re-sign Polk and Godfrey.

Cottrell's 3-4 is different than the 3-4 that the Chargers played. At least it was when he was in Buffalo. Also, if the play-book is the same, then that will make things easier, but I highly doubt that its the EXACT. And I highly doubt that the terminology that Turner uses is the same.

I think that there will be a lot of growing pains for the Chargers this year and it will affect them. I'm not saying they will go to 4-12, but I don't see them being 14-2 either. I think they will regress.

 

[DaBruinz]

Chargers had 11 surgeries this off season. Both teams were beat up as was every team in the playoffs. Who cares, scoreboard. The Patriots beat the Chargers, all the rest is just bullsh*t. If you are looking to next year then both teams will be improved, the Patriots more than the Chargers. The argument can be made that the Patriots had more improving to be done. I think the game next year will be tough and bitter. We'll see.

pao

First off, all I was doing was correcting a poster's accuracy. It had nothing to do with how I thought the Chargers would do next year.

Seems to me that you are bitter with a bit of a chip on your shoulder.

 

[pao]

The Chargers only have 3 safeties on their team currently according to the depth charts I have seen. And its not a foregone conclusion that they will be able to re-sign Polk and Godfrey.

3 safetys, all of whom have started for the Chargers (and other teams). So, as I said, they are servicable. They plan on drafting one also. Godfrey has said he wants to return to the Chargers but is trying to gauge Dallas' interest. I think he'll re-sign. Polk I don't know about but he would not be a huge loss. Edwards may be a huge loss, dude was smart.

Cottrell's 3-4 is different than the 3-4 that the Chargers played. At least it was when he was in Buffalo.
Also, if the play-book is the same, then that will make things easier, but I highly doubt that its the EXACT. And I highly doubt that the terminology that Turner uses is the same..

Cotrell was the DC under Wade Phillips, the Chargers departing DC, and according to him it is the same defense. At the very least it will be very similiar, including terminology, and the players will be almost the same. Continuity was one of the main reasons Turner and Cotrell were hired. I think any changes will be negligible.

I think that there will be a lot of growing pains for the Chargers this year and it will affect them. I'm not saying they will go to 4-12, but I don't see them being 14-2 either. I think they will regress.

What do you see as their final record? And what do you see as the Patriots final record? Most rational Charger fans aren't predicting a 14-2 record next year either. Even if Marty and his staff had stayed it would have been tough to repeat that record.

pao

 

[pao]

First off, all I was doing was correcting a poster's accuracy. It had nothing to do with how I thought the Chargers would do next year.

Within the context of that part of the thread it had everything to do with how the Patriots would do next year against the Chargers. The guy you answered to was responding to another poster that said, basically, that the the Chargers should fear the Patriots next year because of all the injuries the Patriots were playing with in the playoff game and the Chargers were very healthy. You answered that they WERE really hurt in that game. I answered YOU (and him by extension) within that context.

Seems to me that you are bitter with a bit of a chip on your shoulder

Why do you say that? Please, explain. What, in my post, makes you think I am bitter with a chip on my shoulder??

pao

 

[tuckeverlasting]

i live in sd and i must say that the sd "sports fan" which there are very few, is the least knowledgeable sports fan in the known universe. they should worry more about their team. they've got guys like matt wilhelm in a work release program, terrence kiel selling "purple drank" over the internet, steve foley shot 6 times for being drunk and disorderly. merrimen and castillo distributing steroids to teammates, and an organization and coaching staff that are a joke. so, for the select few in sd that are actually sports fans, they've already got plenty to worry about.

 

[DaBruinz]

3 safetys, all of whom have started for the Chargers (and other teams). So, as I said, they are servicable. They plan on drafting one also. Godfrey has said he wants to return to the Chargers but is trying to gauge Dallas' interest. I think he'll re-sign. Polk I don't know about but he would not be a huge loss. Edwards may be a huge loss, dude was smart.

Most teams carry 4 safeties and many carry 5-6.

Also, I think you are underestimating how much of a loss Polk would be. As one Charger fan pointed out, Polk step up greatly and made the loss of Merriman to the suspension a lot more palatable. Polk is a damn good player and I think the Charger depth would really be hurting if they lost him.

Cotrell was the DC under Wade Phillips, the Chargers departing DC, and according to him it is the same defense. At the very least it will be very similiar, including terminology, and the players will be almost the same. Continuity was one of the main reasons Turner and Cotrell were hired. I think any changes will be negligible.

See, there is another item that I think you are over-looking. And that is Chemistry. It will be intersting to see how the team responds to the change-over. I personally think there are too many prima donnas on that team. Particularly Merriman and Phillips. But that is just my opinion.

What do you see as their final record? And what do you see as the Patriots final record? Most rational Charger fans aren't predicting a 14-2 record next year either. Even if Marty and his staff had stayed it would have been tough to repeat that record.

pao

Honestly? I believe its stupid to try and predict a record this early. What I do know is that teams rarely, if ever, do well when there is an entire staff change-over. It usually takes a season for teams to adjust. And I think that there will be some animosity on the part of the players because of how Marty was treated. I think that it will hold them back from adjusting well.

 

[pao]

Most teams carry 4 safeties and many carry 5-6.

They have three and, according to reports, plan on drafting one. It is definitely an area the Chargers need to improve on (including holding onto the ball after an interception!! LOL!).

Also, I think you are underestimating how much of a loss Polk would be. As one Charger fan pointed out, Polk step up greatly and made the loss of Merriman to the suspension a lot more palatable. Polk is a damn good player and I think the Charger depth would really be hurting if they lost him.

Alot depends on how much he wants. The Chargers don't have that much left under the cap. He is also a special teams demon. I love the guy too, but of the LBs they have signed he had the least amount of defensive playing time. Cooper, Wihelm, and Harris all had more playing time than him. Wilhelm will play in place of Edwards (big shoes to fill, imo) and Cooper will replace Godfrey (even if he returns). We'll see, he may still sign with them.

See, there is another item that I think you are over-looking. And that is Chemistry. It will be intersting to see how the team responds to the change-over.

Good point about chemistry. It WILL be interesting to see how that goes with Turner and his staff vs. Marty and his.

I personally think there are too many prima donnas on that team. Particularly Merriman and Phillips. But that is just my opinion.

There are a few things I don't like about Merriman, his dance for one thing and his comments on TV during the Patriots/Chiefs playoff game is another. If he wasn't on the Chargers I would probably hate him (I will say this for him though, his teamates love him, for me that is the true litmus test). Phillips, imo, is not a prima donna. Don't know where you got that idea, would like to hear why you think that.

Honestly? I believe its stupid to try and predict a record this early.

Agreed.

What I do know is that teams rarely, if ever, do well when there is an entire staff change-over. It usually takes a season for teams to adjust.

I do agree with that. There are exceptions. Barry Switzer at Dallas and George Seifert at SF comes immediately to mind. Sean Payton this year is another not so similiar example.

And I think that there will be some animosity on the part of the players because of how Marty was treated. I think that it will hold them back from adjusting well.

You could be right, but there has been signings that took place after the firing of Marty that may be an indication that this won't happen. I agree that there is certainly the possibility of that type of dissension. Either way it will be fun going into the season for both of our teams.

pao

 

[Fogbuster]

Patriots doing some they haven't done before??? Since when have the Pats not gone out after good -- but not too expensive -- free agents??

Sounds like these Bolts' fans are the ones who are panicking.

And rightly so. If BB and TB still have the fire, this team will be significantly better than last year. It is on paper already already. Can't wait to see on the field, too.



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[wdkantro2]

Why don't we all three of the real Chargers fans how worried they are about the Pats, rather than a group of bandwagoners who hopped aboard when they saw the Chargers went 14-2.

 

[ChoWZa]

Why don't we all three of the real Chargers fans how worried they are about the Pats, rather than a group of bandwagoners who hopped aboard when they saw the Chargers went 14-2.

To say the Chargers should not be worried about the Pats, and vice versa is ignornant. But, IMO, I think its fair to say the Chargers should be worried a little bit more than the Pats, since the Pats have improved all around and Chargers revamped their coaching staff.